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Kennedy In Warsaw: Throngs Ignore Curb on Welcome
"Attorney-General Robert Kennedy & his family continue to enjoy riotous receptions behind the Iron Curtain. In Krakow, despite an official news blackout, the crowd gets the word & the Kennedy s spend most of their 6-hour visit on the roof of their sedan to escape the emotional crowds." High angle LS crowd surrounding car parked in street. MS U.S. Attorney General ROBERT F. KENNEDY, wife ETHEL KENNEDY, and three unidentified children (might be RFK Jr. and Mary Courtney Kennedy) standing on car, waving to crowd. MS elderly woman offering flowers to Ethel Kennedy. MS crowd surging on Robert Kennedy in doorway, RFK smiling grandly. TLS/MSs RFK, Ethel holding flowers, waving to crowd from stairs at Jagiellonian University. TLS/MSs Robert & Ethel Kennedy touring Jagiellonian facility. CU RFK. MSs RFK being shown Jagiellonian Globe. MS crowd smiling, pushing. Nice traveling MS Bobby Kennedy walking streets, waving. Panning MS throng of women wearing babushkas walking through courtyard toward Kennedy entourage; CU Bobby smiling, talking with women, shaking hands. TLS/MSs Kennedy s riding atop car traveling through streets, RFK standing & waving, Ethel sitting on hood & signing autographs. MS Bobby signing autograph, then standing, refusing to sign another one. MS Kennedy son (RFK Jr.?) signing autograph. TLS/MSs bronze statue of Thaddeus Kosciuszko on horseback; MS Robert Kennedy admiring statue. MS Bobby Kennedy speaking to crowd from top of car. More shots of Kennedy s riding atop car.
August 1, 1994 - Part 6
(18:10:44) Ms. HANSON. Yes. Senator SHELBY. But sometimes, in the heat of an oversight hearing or courtroom or so forth, you can't always anticipate the question because those questions are spontaneous. Is that correct? Ms. HANSON. That's correct. Senator SHELBY. If be had a stock answer, it might not have been the proper answer to a spontaneous question? Ms. HANSON. That's correct and, in fact, that is what happened here. Senator SHELBY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Counsel just handed you the, preparation sheet that she's making reference to in this situation. You'll notice that last point is one of the contentious points in the sense that that had been reviewed and was a part of the formal written preparation.- This is what, really, she's making reference to right now. I thought, as she said that, you ought to have the document in front of you. Senator SHELBY. Sure, Mr. Chairman, I think what you were getting into is what I alluded to. I think it's very important that people answer accordingly and, if they've got information, bring it out then and not later. Right? The CHAIRMAN. Senator Mack. Senator MACK. Thank you, Mr. CHAIRMAN. Ms. Hanson, I want to go back to the September 30, 1993, memo, that you sent to Mr. Altman, where you have asked Bill Roelle "to keep me informed. Is there anything else you thin we should you, be doing?" Ms. HANSON. I gave my copy back. I'm sorry. Senator MACK. Can someone provide her with that memo again? Ms. Hanson, when you wrote, "is there anything else you think we should be doing?" is that in that memorandum? Ms. HANSON. Yes, it is. Yes, it is, sir. Senator MACK, Is the "we" you referred to you and Mr. Altman? Ms. HANsON. As I say, I don't have an independent recollection of preparing this memorandum, but I would interpret that to mean es, whether there was anything that we, Mr. Altman and 1, should be doing. Senator MACK. Did you attend or set up a meeting at the White House on October 14, 1993? Ms. HANSON. I attended a meeting. I didn't set it up. Senator MACK. Who attended? Ms. HANSON. From Treasury, Joshua Steiner, Jack DeVore, and myself. From the White House, Mr. Nussbaum, Mr. Sloan, Mr. Lindsey, Mr. Gearan, and I understand Mr. Eggleston was there as well, but I don't recall that. Senator MACK. I'm going to read you part of a memorandum that Bruce Lindsey-was he there? Ms. HANSON. Yes, sir. Senator MACK. Let me quote from the memorandum that Bruce Lindsey wrote on October 20, 1993, with reference to the October 141 1993, meeting: 119 One of the referrals, however, involved four cashier's checks each for $3,000. Two were made payable to the Clinton for Governor campaign and two were made payable to Bill Clinton. The checks were dated April 4 and 5, 1985. All four checks were deposited in the Bank of Cherry Valley. Gerth wanted DeVore to find out who had endorsed the checks. A check of our campaign records turned up three cashiers checks for $3,000 each from J.W. Fulbright, Ken Peacock, and Dean Landrum and a personal check for $3,000 from Jim McDougal signed by Susan McDougal. Later on in the memorandum he writes: The RTC believes that the funds for the cashier's checks came from a loan from Madison Guaranty to a Republican, but supposedly the Republican was unaware that some of the loan funds had been diverted. Do you have any recollection of that being discussed at that point? Ms. HANSON. I have a recollection of checks being discussed, and I've seen Mr. Lindsey's memo. It's unclear to me from that memo, the way it's written, whether information was discussed at the meeting or subsequently provided. I have no recollection of that last paragraph. I don't know what the source of that information is, and I don't recall having heard it. Senator DAMATO. Can I ask you something? Were you ever given that information? MS. HANSON. I'm sorry? Senator DAMATO. Were you ever given that information? Senator Mack has just relayed to you a memo. I want to know, in the briefing that you bad, did you ever get that information?
August 1, 1994 - Part 6
(18:20:18) Senator SASSER. I don't want to compromise the investigation. I think that's an important aspect of it. I think it's also an important aspect that the confidentiality be maintained to protect perhaps innocent citizens from defamation and damage to their character and integrity because of a referral that, really, might have no substance after the Justice Department examines it. Are there any penalties for the leaking of this-unauthorized disclosure of this information or for leaking it, to your knowledge? Ms. HANSON. It's a violation of RTC regulations, a violation of Office of Government Ethics regulations, and can be subject to personnel sanctions. 121 Senator SASSER. Mr. Roelle knew this was going on in the Washington office and he wanted to alert you to it. Did he make any statement as to what steps the RTC might be taking to try to stop this illegal and unauthorized disclosure of information? Ms. HANSON. No, sir. Senator SASSER. This whole series of events was triggered because of people in the employment of the Resolution Trust Corporation who were leaking this information in an unauthorized fashion. Were you simply being advised of this so you'd have a heads-up when it was coming, when it came in the press? Ms. HANSON. That's right, and all of the information that I was given by Mr. Roelle did appear in the press. Senator SASSER. As I understand it, from your previous testimony in the deposition, the information that appeared in the press was considerably more extensive than the information that had been given to you by Mr. Roelle, was it not? Ms. HANSON. That's correct. Senator SASSER. As a matter of fact, it even outlined the names of the various examiners-RTC examiners who were alluded to in the referrals. Didn't the press account give their names? Ms. HANSON. Of the investigators? Senator SASSER. Yes. Ms. HANSON. As I understand it, there has been significant information about the referrals that has appeared in the press for a very long time. Senator SASSER. Let me take you back, Ms. Hanson, to the meeting that you had on February 2, 1994. Did Mr. Altman, Roger Altman, the Deputy Secretary, at the February 2, 1994, meeting at the White House, inform the participants with regard to the Madison Savings & Loan that it was "unlikely the investigation could be completed, and then a recommendation made by the RTC Genera] Counsel, prior to the expiration of the statute of limitations"? In other words, do you have any recollection of Roger Altman making that statement in the meeting that it's unlikely Ms. HANSON. Quite-sorry. Senator SASSER. Go ahead. Ms. HANSON. Quite the contrary. In fact, the statement that he ,made and what was included in the talking points that he used for that discussion clearly stated that it was unclear when the investigation was going to be completed, but it certainly would be completed by February 28, 1994, which was consistent with my under,standing of what the RTC's position was. Senator SASSER. Can you give us any explanation of why Harold Ickes apparently recalls that Roger Altman made such a statement, that it could not be completed prior to February 28, 1994? MS. HANSON. I have no idea. Senator SASSER. Do you know of anybody else in the meeting who recalls Mr. Altman making that statement, other than Mr.Ickes? Ms. HANSON. I'm not familiar with anyone else's testimony sir, but it certainly wasn't made in my presence. Senator SASSER. Going back to the press leaks, did Mr. Roelle indicate that the Resolution Trust Corporation was going to try to 122 take any action to ferret out these leakers and deal with them an sort of administrative fashion? HANSON. No, sir. Senator SASSER. So he just seemed to be accepting the fact it here, we're going to send this confidential information to Washington ton and you better be on the look-out because it's going to be, the press shortly and you better know what it's about. Ms. HANSON. It seemed to be a fact of life at the RTC. Senator SASSER. I must say to you that I find that to be and I'm not-of course, you were a newcomer and didn't have much say about what goes on in the RTC operations, but I find it very dis-quieting that confidential information such as that would be routinely leaked, and that some in the RTC appear to have accepted that as a fact of life in the RTC Washington office.
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