August 1, 1994 - Part 5
August 1, 1994 - Part 5
(17:35:53) Ms. HANSON. I was shown the notes in connection with my testi- mony on these matters, although I do not recall seeing them in Senate deposition, but they're not really legible, sir. The CHAIRMAN. You have to study them. It took me a while, too. As you read them and figure out how that person's handwriting looks, they appear to read, essentially, as Senator Mack has state as far as the names mentioned and so forth. You can see, particu- larly on the second half of the last page, I think it gets a little clearer. Senator MACK. I know those notes are very difficult to make heads or tails of. Senator DAMATO. How about going through them? Senator MACK. I've already read them. The additional points are that President and Mrs. Clinton have been mentioned in other charges as potential witnesses,,the RTC investigation of Madison originated in Kansas City, and the White House had obtained the unlisted telephone numbers of the RTC investigators. Ms. HANsON. I don't believe that's correct. That's-actually, that's not correct to my recollection. It was my understanding, at one point in here, that a reporter had been given the names of all of the investigators who had worked on the criminal referrals and bad contacted the Kansas City office to obtain their telephone numbers, because the numbers were unlisted. Senator MACK. Do you agree with the rest of it, then? Ms. HANSON. Some of this information I don't recall, but it does note here that-there is a reporter mentioned. Senator MACK. I just want to finish one point. The CHAIRMAN. Might I make this suggestion: I want you to do exactly that. We've had a vote start. Maybe, because you haven't had a chance to see this, in the time that we're gone to vote, you can, with the help of staff, figure out what it says and see if it sounds like a logic flow you would have given at that time. You will have that time as we're going to vote. Why don't you finish, Senator Mack. Senator MACK. I'll just make this last point. There was a memo that you addressed to Mr. Altman on September 30 ' 1993, where you had spoken with the Secretary and also with Bernie Nussbaum and Cliff Sloan. You said, "I've asked Bill Roelle to keep me informed," in reading from your memorandum to Mr. Altman. You went on to say, "Is there anything else that you think we should be doing?" In this memo, were you effectively reporting back to Mr. Altman that you did what he told you to do on September 27, 19930 in essence carrying out the task that he bad given you? Ms. HANSON. As I testified, I don't have an independent recollection of preparing that memorandum, but it is this type of-but 113 there is no question in my mind that I did, and it's the type of memorandum that I would write to Senator MACK. That's the memo over there and it does have your initials on it, doesn't it? Ms. HANSON. I'm sorry, I can't see it. Senator GRAMM. Let's just pick it up and bring it over to her. Senator BOXER. Why don't you give her this normal-sized piece of paper? Ms. HANsON. As I testified, this is the type of memorandum I would write to follow up on a task I had done. It was also attached to the RTC Early Bird that made reference to the fact that internal RTC sources ha spoken with the press about multiple criminal referrals. Senator MACK. Do you remember the date of the Early Bird? Ms. HANSON. I believe it was dated the same date. Senator MACK. What date was that? Ms. HANSON. September 30, 1993. Senator MACK. Was that after the meeting at the White House had taken place? Ms. HANSON. That's correct, although, as I indicated, the IG chronology that was released yesterday indicates that reporters were making inquiries as early as September 23, 1993. Senator MACK. Again, my point is that you say you had no knowledge of that? Ms. HANSON. I had a very good idea that I was going to be right, I don't know exactly when it was that the first reporter had this information, but I knew that it was imminent. It could very well have happened by the time that I spoke with Mr. Nussbaum. Senator MACK. But, again, you had. no actual knowledge of that? Ms. HANSON. Correct. The CHAIRMAN. I think what we should now do-the second bells have rung on this vote on the floor, so we have just a few minutes left to go to vote. Why don't we give you an opportunity to review, if you need to, that memo. Perhaps the staff can help you make out the handwriting and, if there are further questions, we can deal with that when we resume. The Committee will stand in recess for about 10 minutes while we go to vote and then we'll resume. (17:41:13) [Recess.] (17:41:18) Commentary of KEN BODE and NINA TOTENBERG