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August 4, 1994 - Part 5
(13:35:27) What did Mr. Altman say about that process? MS. WILLIAMS. Well, from my testimony, and that quote, I believe, kind of summarizes it. Once again, let me tell you the gist of it, as I recall, was that the RTC staff, the process would be that the RTC staff would make a recommendation to him if he did not recuse himself or the RTC staff would make a recommendation to someone else in the RTC. That is essentially what I took away from the meeting. I was not focused on the details, but generally I understood what that meant. Senator DOMENICI. Did you pass that information on to the First Lady? Ms. WILLIAMS. No. I saw no reason to. Senator DOMENICI. But essentially your interpretation was that if Mr. Altman was still the head of the RTC, he would be the one making the decision as to whether they would be asked to waive the statute of limitations or not; is that correct? MS. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir, but let me clarify here. My understanding was, in addition, from Mr. Altman, was that whatever recommendation the RTC staff would make, he was likely to accept that recommendation. Senator DOMENICI. I understand. Ms. WILLIAMS. OK Senator DOMENICI. And that's what puzzles me so much. Why all the concern if in fact he had indicated they were going to make the decision and he wasn't? In your opinion, given what you heard and saw, why was the White House so concerned about his not recusing himself? Ms. WILLIAMS. Well, sir, I won't speak to the opinions of others, but since I was in that meeting and I suggested by my question to Mr. Altman that it didn't make any sense to me, if he was going to accept the recommendation from good staff work, why he would recuse. To me it was just a commonsense question. Here he's to accept the recommendation. The RTC staff has been involved, they know what's going on and he is going to look to staff that has been involved to accept or-to accept or reject the recommendation. And his view was at the time that he was likely to accept whatever their recommendation might be. My questions sprang from kind of common sense, why would you have to recuse then? Senator DOMENICI. So you found out that he did in fact recuse himself later on? 343 MS. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. I did. Senator DOMENICI. And I gather that you know that he recused himself after the statute of limitations had been extended? Ms. WILLIAMS. I believe I know that, now subsequently, yes. Senator DOMENICI. Thank you very much. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you. Senator Boxer, Senator BOXER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as I understand Senator Gramm's statement and please, someone correct me if I don't accurately recall it-he said that Altman "dealt with the criminal matters on the 29th meeting." Now, that was the meeting that was held on the Waco situation where Ms. Hanson has testified that she told Mr. Nussbaum that he was going to have to deal with press leaks regarding the criminal referrals. And Senator Gramm says Altman dealt with the criminal matters. I think it's important to note, number one, that Mr. Altman testified to us that he didn't send Ms. Hanson to that meeting. I think it's also important to note that Ms. Hanson said she never saw the criminal referrals, that she didn't present the criminal referrals to anyone and I think it's important to note that as far as I can tell no one that appeared before us with the White House or with Treasury ever saw the criminal referrals. Mr. McLarty, have you ever seen the criminal referrals? Mr. McLARTY. No, I have not, Senator Boxer. Senator BOXER. Ms. Williams, have you ever seen the criminal referrals? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, Senator, I have not. Senator BOXER. To your knowledge, has the President or the First Lady seen the criminal referrals, Ms. Williams? MS. WILLIAMS. No. To my knowledge, they have not. Senator BOXER. And how about you, Mr. McLarty? Mr. MCLARTY, To my knowledge, they have not. Senator BOXER. I want to go to Mr. Altman's diary one more time. Ms. Williams, what you have said is that you have no memory of saying to Mr. Altman, "The First Lady is paralyzed over Whitewater." Is that correct? MS. WILLIAMS. That's correct, Senator, Senator BOXER. And you have stated that you would not say that to anyone? Ms. WILLIAMS. I have stated that it seems inconsistent with who I am and how I operate to have said that. Senator BOXER. But you did tell this Committee, I thought in a very articulate way, that you told almost anyone who would listen who was within the Administration or very close to the Administration that you thought there was too much time being spent on Whitewater, that it was diverting the First Lady, the President, and the White House staff from the country's agenda that you seem to care very much about; is that correct?
Sports: Football - Navy 21, Army 15
Postponed by the assassination, the Army-Navy game draws 100,000 to Philadelphia. Before the game they play a silent tribute to the martyred President Kennedy. The underdog Army team almost pulls an upset as they threaten the Navy goal-line in the last seconds of play, but the clock runs out but not before there is 60 minutes of bang up, thrill-packed football. Philadelphia, PA Everything is at a stand still in the Philadelphia stadium because the fans are paying a silent tribute to the slain President Kennedy. OHS - The crowd and their very still. MLS - Navy and Army are on the football field. MS - Army carries the ball in for a touchdown, Army leads. MS - The Army cadets are cheering in the stands some are waving their hat in joy. MS - Roger Staubach, Navy quarterback passes and it brings the ball to the 12-yard line. MS - Roger was going to pass but saw no available so he ran the ball himself and got it to the 4-yard line. MS - The ball is handed off and it is carried over the goal line and it is the first of four touchdowns. MCUS - Scoreboard, Army 7 - Navy 7. MS - Pat Donnelly scores for Navy in the second quarter and in the fourth it's Donnelly once more and Navy hold a 21 to 7 margin.
Sports Highlights of 1963
Audio goes in and out Nineteen sixty-three was a golden year in sports and here are many of the highlights. Every sport scored high in 1963. Baseball enjoyed a gala season from opening day when President Kennedy threw out the first ball. President John F. Kennedy throws out the first pitch (right handed pitcher) at the DC Stadium and it is snagged by a Washington baseball player. MLS - Overlooking the crowd at a baseball stadium. In the World Series, Sandy Koufax starred as he fanned 15 batters in the first game. The Dodgers won in 4 straight games and it was Koufax again, in the last game who reduced the mighty Yankees bats to toothpicks. In golf, Jack Nicklaus won the Masters Crown to fulfill the promise he had made the previous year in winning the Open Crown. The U.S. Open was won by Julius Boros who first won the crown 11 years earlier. Don Schollander, 17, made a big splash in the swimming world by setting a record in the 200 meter freestyle. Don Schollander is getting ready to swim the 1500 freestyle event, he dives into the pool and he wins 1:59 triumph. John Pennel became the first man to break 17 feet in the pole vault. John Pennel comes running down the track with his fiberglass pole, he goes over his mark by 2 1/2 inches. CUS - John Pennel smiling. C.K. Yang smashed the ten-event Decathlon record by scoring an unbelievable 9, 121 points. MS - Runners coming down the track. MS - A jumper taking on the high jump. MS - A shot putter lets go of the ball. MS - The Javelin. MCUS - C.K. Yang shaking hands with officials. "Chateaugay" won the Kentucky Derby by outrunning the favorites and then continued his winning ways by copping The Belmont. Mighty "Kelso" was named "Horse Of The Year" for the 4th time. The Kentucky Derby and "Chateaugay" is the winner by 2 1/2 lengths. MS - Chateaugay in the winning circle and the winning blanket is draped over him. The Toronto Maple Leafs defeated the Detroit Red Wings to take hockey's Stanley Cup once more. Loyola and the University of Cincinnati battled into overtime before Loyola came up with the winning basket.
August 4, 1994 - Part 5
(13:40:38) Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, I was outspoken on the matter, Senator BOXER. So that it is possible that someone hearing you, perhaps, wax eloquent on the point-and I think you can. wax eloquent on the point and you did before us several times-might have taken away an inference that the country's agenda could be 344 paralyzed if this thing continued? Not to quibble over a word, but in essence the country's agenda could be paralyzed or could be stopped cold because too many people were having too many meetings, as Mr. Cutler said, about this matter? Would that be a fair characterization? MS. WILLIAMS. Yes, Senator, that would be fair. Senator BOXER. Well, Mr. Chairman, I think we've gone around and about with these witnesses. I think that the President and the First Lady have been well served. In a closing question, I would say to Mr. McLarty, now that Mr. Panetta is Chief of Staff, have you shared any of the lessons that. you learned from this whole situation? I And you were very open and honest with this Committee in telling us you believe it should have been handled differently or better, in a more streamlined fashion. Have you shared those thoughts with Mr. Panetta? Mr. MCLARTY. Chief of Staff Panetta, of course, was involved in the White House as Director of OMB and I think that's one of the things we did very well. We've had several discussions, not just specifically about this matter, although it included that, but other operations, decisionmaking at the White House. Chief of Staff Panetta is a good Californian and he will be an able-he is an able Chief of Staff. Senator BOXER. In answer to my question, have you discussed some of the management tools that you have at your disposal, perhaps some ways to handle this type of an incident in a better way, an incident that occurred many years ago that happened before the President was President? Have you discussed perhaps some of your insights on how to better handle the situation? Mr. McLARTY. Yes, Senator, we have and also of course Mr. Cutler's report addresses that in a very specific way and outlines specific steps which have already been implemented at this point. Senator BOXER. Mr. Chairman, I have to say one thing that I really learned today. As we seek to find the truth, it is worth noting that sometimes the truth is elusive because to one person, intense pressure is just a rough conversation. You know, I grew UP in New York, I grew up in Brooklyn and there's a way that people talk in New York and in Brooklyn, in the way they express themselves, that's a little bit different from the way people talk in Cali- fornia and now I'm a combination of both, so I don't know how talk. But the bottom The CHAIRMAN. I'd say there's a little of Brooklyn left. Senator BOXER. Well, they say you can never take Brooklyn out of the girl although you can take the girl out of Brooklyn. This is true. But I would say this: We have listened to Mr. McLarty. Indeed, I think all of us in this Committee, Republicans and Democrats, have probably spoken with Mr. McLarty. Mr. McLarty' as Chief of Staff, I would say you were as close to the President of the United States as you could get. Did you at that time speak with him every single day, would you say? Mr. McLARTY. Generally I did, if he were here. Senator BOXER. Probably a few times unless he was out of the country? 345 Mr. McLARTY. Unless he was traveling or something of that nature but generally every day. Senator BOXER. Tell me again, what did you say to Mr. Altman when he asked you about recusing himself from this issue? Mr. MCLARTY. I listened politely and encouraged Mr. Altman to make the decision he felt was the right one. Senator BOXER. Well, Mr. Chairman, that doesn't sound like intense pressure. It sounds like respect, it sounds like understanding. I thank you very much for your clear answers, both of you, and I am very glad that you both are where you are. The CHAIRMAN. I might just say before your time is gone, it also sounds like Mack McLarty. I think that advice he gave is consistent with at least the individual that I know him to be, so I'm not surprised that that would be his advice. Senator BOXER. And, Mr. Chairman, if I might say, it says a lot about Bill Clinton, who chose Mack McLarty. Mr. McLARTY. Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Faircloth. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to follow up on Senator Hatch's line of questioning. On Tuesday, Roger Altman testified-this question is to you, Ms. Williams.
Johnson At United Nations
Johnson At United Nations. President Lyndon Johnson addresses the United Nations General Assembly and sets forth a declaration of his new administration's policy in world affairs. His arrival is shielded by a tight security guard but he receives a standing ovation by the delegates. He reaffirms United States support for the United Nations and outlines the aims of his administration. Mainly an end to the cold war and to conquer hunger, disease and ignorance. New York, NY President Johnson arrives at the United Nations with tons of security surrounding him as he's walking into the building. MLS - Secretary General U Thant welcomes the President shaking his hand. MS - The General Assembly gives President Johnson a standing ovation. MOHS - The General Assembly standing and applauding President Johnson. President Lyndon Baines Johnson, "The United States of America wants to see the Cold War end. We want to see it end for once and for all. The United States wants to prevent the dissemination of nuclear weapons to nations, not now processing them. The United States wants to press on with arms control and reduction. The United States want to cooperate with all the members of this organization, to conquer everywhere the ancient enemies of mankind, hunger and decease and ignorance. The United States wants sanity and security and peace for all. And above all, President Kennedy, I'm sure, would regard as his best memorial, the fact that in his three years as President, the world became a little safer and the way ahead became a little brighter." The General Assembly receives President Johnson by giving him a standing ovation.
The Old Folks At Home
High up in the Alps in the village of Chambery, they seem to have found the secret of long life. 38 out of 380 residents have a combined age of 3,200 years. Their secret ? Hard work, plain diet and plenty of laughter --- they say. Elderly people keep active. Chambery, France The Alps in the village of Chambery. MCUS - Woman carries out a birthday cake with 100 burning candles on it. MCUS - The recipient of the birthday cake is 100 year old lady, and she is sharing her birthday with her friend 102 year old man of the village. MCUS - An 85 year old man is sawing his own firewood. The blacksmith is still working at 83. MCUS - A 94 year old man is drinking water from a well pump. MS - An old man is casting his fishing pole into a stream.
A New Life Boat
The British have developed a lifeboat that looks like something designed for interplanetary travel. It's a covered craft of steel and plastic with an asbestos lining. It comes through a test of fire a great success. It should be a real lifesaver in case of fire at sea. United Kingdom A life boat developed by the British docked pier side. MCUS - The test pilot of the enclosed life boat has taken his place at the controls. MS - In a enclosed pool area 3,000 gallons of kerosene is set on fire. MCUS - The enclosed life boat is headed right into the fire and it emerges blackened but intact. MS - Firemen hose down the enclosed life boat, the skin cracks, when they open the hatch the interior seem to be ok, no damage.
Winter Olympics: French Skiers Begin Training
There's more than snow in the air at Val 'dlsere, France. Their ski teams begin training for the Winter Olympics that are just over the horizon. The practice periods are five long hours every day. You have to be a dedicated skier to win yourself a place on the French team. They aim to rip entire pages from the record book come next February. France The French ski team starts training, they are all gathered at a top of a hill ready to ski down. MCUS - French skiers training on the slalom course. CUS - One of the men skiers. MCUS - Skiers are going downhill skiing, first the men and finely a woman skier. CUS - Woman skier crouched down and looking at the camera with a big smile on her face.
August 4, 1994 - Part 5
(13:45:29) Roger Altman testified that he kept a diary or as he referred to it his scrapbook of historical significance. One of the items in that diary or scrapbook is his impression of a meeting with you in January of this year. He wrote that he received the impression from you that the White House was actively trying to negotiate with the Attorney General and other officials at the Department of Justice over the jurisdiction or scope of what a Special Counsel could look into regarding Madison Guaranty- and Whitewater-related matters. This was before the Special Counsel had been appointed. The point being that after months of opposition, stonewalling, backing and filling, the Clintons were finally about to succumb to insurmountable political and growing editorial pressure and ask for the appointment of a Special Counsel. But not until they could first try to limit and control his jurisdiction. Now, down in Eastern North Carolina that's known as not wanting to get bitten by your own dog. But Ms. Williams, as I'm sure you're aware, it has been widely reported that Mrs. Clinton was adamantly opposed to the appointment of a Special Counsel and I believe she has admitted to as much. Now I'd like to ask you a few questions regarding the appointment of the Special Counsel in order to clear up any lingering misconceptions and set the record -straight. Ms. Williams, did Mrs. Clinton have any communication with Robert Fiske prior to his appointment as the Special Counsel? Ms. WILLIAMS. To my knowledge, absolutely not. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Could it have occurred without your knowledge? MS. WILLIAMS. It could have, but I doubt it very seriously. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Bernard Nussbaum, the former White I-louse Counsel, and Robert Fiske are friends and professional associates. Mr. Nussbaum and Robert Fiske represented the same side in at least two different legal cases. Mr. Nussbaum even recommended his friend Robert Fiske for a job with lran-Contra Special Counsel, 346 Lawrence Walsh. Now Mr. Fiske is investigating Bernard Nussbaum for activities we cannot discuss here today, Ms. Williams, are you aware of any communication between Hillary Clinton and Bernard Nussbaum determining the appointment of Robert Fiske as Special Counsel? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, sir, I am not. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Are you aware of any communication between any White House official, including the Office of the First Lady, and Robert Fiske prior to his appointment as Special Counsel? Ms, WILLIAMS. I am certain that there was not. I mean, Mr. Fiske is, as I understand it, a Republican contributor to Republican campaigns. Senator FAIRCLOTH. I just wanted to know, are you aware of any' communications? I don't need a history of Mr. Fiske. Ms. WILLIAMS. No, sir. I'm not aware of any. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Are you aware of any communication between Mrs. Clinton or her representatives and officials at the Justice Department concerning the appointment of Special Counsel? Ms. WILLIAMS, No, sir. I am not aware of any, Senator FAIRCLOTH. This question is for Mr. McLarty. We've heard testimony about a meeting on September 29, 1993, in which the White House received a "heads-up" about the RTC criminal referrals. I'm trying to determine whether this in fact was the first "heads-up." When you had Mr. Cutler do his report on White House-Treasury contacts regarding the RTC criminal referrals, did he investigate possible "heads-up" earlier than September 29th? Mr. McLARTY. Senator, his report was a thorough one. You'll have to ask him about the scope before that, but it's a very thorough report and I think he examined all contacts, but he can speak to that in a more precise way than I can. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Did anyone in the White House have any communication with anyone who was aware of the existence or content of the RTC criminal referrals before the September 29th "heads-up "? Mr. MCLARTY. Not to my knowledge, Senator,
The Look-Again Look - In Color!
"For the first time Universal Newsreel brings the latest fashions to theatre audiences in Color. Photographed in Venezuela with the co-operation of the Fashion Editors of McCall's Magazine, this style show unfolds The Look-Again Look on the screen." MS two young white women entering room, sitting on couch, flipping through issue of McCall's fashion magazine. MS two model standing by palm tree on windswept patio. MS/CU model sitting on patio furniture, watching women walk by. CU magazine photo of woman wearing thick, rounded, black rimmed glasses. CU model wearing similar ugly glasses. Side view MS white woman wearing bikini, sitting on chaise lounge by swimming pool, having lotion applied to back. Rear view bareback model with coquettish beauty mark posing by bushes. Rear view MS model wearing bareback dress, floral hat, cigarette holder. CU magazine pages being flipped through. CU woman's hands (red fingernail polish) wrapped around back of man's neck; they embrace, kiss. MCU strange plunging neckline brazier (brassiere?). MS model wearing black evening dress with plunging neckline. TLS saucy model wearing white two piece bikini & see-through top stretching by lounge chair.
Army Tests New 'Copter"
Reporting for Army duty at Los Angeles is a new jet-powered, light weight helicopter that weighs a little over 1,000 pounds. It can carry a pilot and five fully-equipped troops. Los Angeles, California The helicopter is sitting on the ground and there a few military men examining the machine. A shot from inside the chopper - Two military men and a man wearing a suit. Ground to air - The midget helicopter flying showing off different maneuvers.
Surf Boards Head Inland
San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge looks down on strange goings-on. This is a new kind of surfboarding. You get up to speed behind a towboat and then you ride the wave.... San Francisco, CA Shot taken from the back of the boat, Golden Gate Bridge in the back ground and wakes made by the boat. MS - A guy and a gal boat surfing. MS - The guy lets go of the rope and the wakes made from the boat keep the surf board in action, The guy lifts up the girl and she makes like she flying as she is held high by his shoulder. MS - Oops, they go down into the drink. They both swim back to the surf board and get on board the surf board and paddle back to the beach.
August 4, 1994 - Part 5
(13:50:11) Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. McLarty, yesterday at the House hear- ings, Representative Leach said that there were some highly un- usual things that happened right around the time that the White House was given the September 29th "heads-up." At that time the usual practice for RTC investigators was for RTC investigators to send criminal referrals directly to the Justice Department. This was the policy; a criminal referral from RTC went straight to Jus- tice. Instead, they were sent to lawyers in Washington on Septem- ber 30th. The day after Jean Hanson gave the White House a "heads-up" that those referrals were coming to the Washington RTC office, RTC lawyers began what Representative Leach referred to as an unprecedented review of these referrals. RTC lawyers then delayed transmitting the referrals to the Justice Department for a week and they developed a legal analysis rejecting the personal in investigators' recommendation; in other words, the RTC lawyers went against their own people. They raised questions about the statute of limitation and double jeopardy for James McDougal Of Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan. A major effort was taken by RTC lawyers The CHAIRMAN. Senator Faircloth, excuse me. I don't want to interrupt you and that's why I've been listening carefully to what you say here. I think we're up against the scope problem here in terms of whether or not we're veering over the line. I don't say if we are that you are doing that intentionally but whether we're getting into any part of an active phase of the Special Prosecutor's investigation that he's asked us not to penetrate and so I'm concerned that we may be running that risk here. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Chairman, just let me ask the question, because I wanted to be up against the wall. I just didn't want to jump it. The CHAIRMAN. I understand. Senator FAIRCLOTH. They were worried about double jeopardy for James McDougal at Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan, A major effort was undertaken by RTC lawyers to debunk their own investigation. When the referrals were finally sent to the Justice Department, they went with an objecting legal analysis attached. RTC sent an objecting legal analysis from their own professional field investigators. Jean Hanson has apparently said she does not recall the events, but according to the Acting RTC General Counsel at that time, Glion Curtis-1 think that's the correct pronunciation-General Counsel at that time, Glion Curtis, said she was briefed. Mr. McLarty, according to Mr. Leach, the RTC lawyers in Washing-ton were trying to debunk the deferrals-referrals the day after the September 29th meeting. Now, White House meeting. Let me ask, were you aware of these events? The CHAIRMAN. Well, on this point, I think to ask the witnesses to comment on this, it's one thing I think for you to pose an issue that's in your mind or a concern that you have. I think to the extent that we now start to build an exchange here and put these questions to the witnesses and ask them to respond, we run smack into the injunction that we're-that we face of, I think, crossing the line into the area where there's an active investigation underway that we've been asked not to interfere with. I feel compelled to say to the witnesses at this point that, no matter how benign the answer may be or otherwise, that I don't think it's appropriate for us to engage in questioning on that right now since that is in an area that Mr. Fiske has asked us not to deal with at this point and which the Senate also has ruled out of bounds for us as I read our resolution. So if I may say, and I do that respectfully to the Senator from North Carolina, but I think you want to go right up to the line. I understand that. I think we're there. I think if they start engaging you in this line of discussion then we've gone over the line, and I can't permit that and I don't think you necessarily want that to happen either. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Well, my time is up. I've got one more quick question. Do you believe it would be significant if there was "heads-up" earlier than that which has been testified to here so far? Would that be a significant thing, Mr. McLarty? 347 348 Mr. McLARTY. Senator, I really honestly don't know how to re- spond to your question or your statement. It's obvious you know a lot more about these RTC matters than I do. And without studying a specific issue, I don't know how to respond to your question whether it would be significant or not.
Berlin Reunions: The Wall Is Opened For Year-End Visits
Same as catalog # 526982 For the first time in two and a half years, "The Wall Of Shame" is Berlin has been opened to the Free People of the city. West Berliners line up by the tens of thousands for passes to visit relatives and friends imprisoned behind the Wall in the eastern sector of the city. In freezing temperatures they wait as long as nine hours to get their applications. They go to Communist territory loaded with presents --- East Berliners will be able to enjoy luxury they have not experienced in years. West Berlin, Germany Throngs of West Berliners queue up to go over into East Berlin to visit family and friends. MCUS - West Berliners queue in line to apply for one day passes into East Berlin. MCUS - East Berliners standing in line smiling holding pass ports. MCUS - The firs West Berliners passing trhough Check Point Charlie and walking into East Germany.
1948 Presidental Election
Same as catalog # 526983 The 1948 Presidential election provided one of the greatest upsets in United States history. Thomas E. Dewey was chosen to be the Republican standard bearer for the second time. The Democrats chose Harry S. Truman. From the day of Mr. Truman's nomination the experts were saying he didn't have a chance of beating Mr. Dewey. However, President Truman had different ideas. After a long and hard fought campaign he fooled the experts and was returned to office.
US - German Talks: Johnson And Erhard Confer At Ranch
Same as catalog # 526985 Holiday time at the Johnson s. The President plays host to the press as they await the arrival of Chancellor Ludwig Erhard of Germany. The LBJ Texas spread is the scene of a barbecue and then the President treats the newsmen to an example of his prowess astride a Tennessee Walking Horse. Later the Chancellor is met at the airport and then treated to another barbecue that features the playing of famed pianist Van Cliburn. In a joint statement the two men say their countries pledge themselves to easing the East-West cold war tensions. Texas The press gathered outside President Johnson's ranch home in Texas. MS - President Johnson and the BBQ chief. MS - One of the cooks grilling up some steaks. MS - Pierre Salinger sitting on top of a horse. MS - President Johnson mounting his horse, the President and Pierre Salinger go horseback riding. MCUS - President Johnson at the air port shaking hands with the people who came out to welcome Chancellor Ludwig Erhard of Germany. MS - Mr. Erhard disembarks from the plane and is greeted by President Johnson. CUS - Van Cliburn a famed pianist. MCUS - Over the door of President Johnson it reads; "Willkommen" MS - Inside the home in an eating area, everybody seems to be chowing down. MCUS - President Johnson and Chancellor Ludwig Erhard of Germany shaking hands. MS - Van Cliburn playing the piano.
21 Die In Fire: Smoke Traps Hotel Victims
Same as catalog # 526986 As the Roosevelt Hotel in Jacksonville, Florida, blazes firemen battle through fumes and fire to rescue trapped guests on upper floors that their ladders won't reach. Navy helicopters join in to rescue others from the hotel roof as 21 victims are trapped and die in the hotel that was jammed with fans who were Jacksonville for a football game. Jacksonville, Florida Roosevelt Hotel on fire. MS - Some people are half way out the window's. MS - One person on the window ledge of an open window, smoke is billowing out of the room. MS - Fire men with extended ladders on their fire truck. Camera looking up - A bed-sheet ladder hanging out the window. MS - Fireman on his extended ladder. MS - You can barely see the head of a person hanging out an open window, thick smoke is just pouring out of the room. MLS - You can see a Navy rescue helicopter through the thick smoke. MS - A survivor of the tragic fire being moved to an ambulance. MS - Hotel survivors in a small group stop at the street light and walk across the street.
August 4, 1994 - Part 5
(13:55:30) What I can say is there is no evidence to suggest that anyone in the White House has done anything to influence the RTC's decision process and I think career RTC people have said the same thing under testimony-under oath. The CHAIRMAN, Thank you. Senator Dodd. Senator DODD . Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This will be very, very brief. I know we need to move on. Just a couple of observations. One, our colleague from Delaware, Senator Roth, in talking about "de facto recusal" and de jure, I guess, recusal I think tried to use your recusal, Mr. McLarty, as an example where your former employment with ARCO and your status there and then the company's involvement with some issues to be forwarded compared that to Mr. Altman's decision to recuse as if somehow they were on some sort of equal footing. I think the record needs to reflect that Mr. Altman, whatever other complaints people may have, had no financial interest in Madison Guaranty or any of the interests that were going to come before the RTC. His decision to recuse, ultimately I guess, was based more on what he felt may have been a personal relationship with the President and Mrs. Clinton than anything else. I just didn't want those two examples to be left out there as comparables. That's more of a statement than a question. But, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a couple of observations, if I could, because I think the record ought to reflect this. We've seen a strong indication of this Administration's willingness to be coop- erative. I know of no other example on inquiries by the U.S. Senate where the Chief of Staff of the President of the United States and the Chief of Staff of the First Lady have come before a Senate Committee-now there are historians around here who may correct me but as far as I know that is unprecedented-voluntarily to come forward and to talk about these matters. The normal course is to fight that every step of the way. We've seen that experience in the past and for many people who may be watching these procedures or listening to them who may not be familiar of the historical context, the fact that Mr, McLarty and MS. Williams are here today voluntarily to answer questions, and I think very directly and very candidly of this Committee, is some- thing I hope the Committee will take note of as an unprecedented step. And secondly The CHAIRMAN. Well, Senator Dodd, shouldn't it be noted, too, they're here because the President told them to come up here and, respond to these questions? Senator DODD. Which as well the President deserves credit for He asked them to come here rather than fighting it all the way and hiring six law firms to try to come up with Constitutional arguments why you don't have to appear here. We've seen that in past. 349 Secondly, Mr. McLarty, I want to pay a particular compliment to you as a former Chief of Staff. This group of people we had before us yesterday was about as fine a group and I'd say the same for Ms. Williams as well, but and I think you heard that from almost every Member here. They answered directly, and honestly took steps of their own volition in a number of instances in which others, I think, would be the first to tell you today they wish they had in a couple of other instances. I think that's a compliment to you in putting together a first- class team of people. These are people's faces the American public never get to see. They probably don't remember their names today, who they were, but they're down there every day working very hard. I think they reflected well on the President and on the people around him who put that staff together and I want the record to reflect that as well. Last, and it's a question for you. In his testimony before the House of Representatives, Lloyd Cutler noted that while various Treasury-White House contacts violated no ethical standards in his judgment, it would have been better if some of the contacts had never occurred. He noted- and in fact-I didn't know he used these words and I used them because my colleague from Utah has repeated them but-when I consider I used the word "sloppy"--there were too many meetings, too many people milling around, that created some of these difficulties. So instead of going back over that, I wonder if you might share with this Committee what steps have been taken at the White House within this Administration as a result of what's happened here, to minimize this from happening again? Just from an administrative standpoint, that would avoid the kind of proliferation of meetings and people being involved in something beyond their scope of responsibility, if you will.
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August 4, 1994 - Part 5
(14:00:28) Mr. McLARTY. Senator, first, thank you for your kind words and not only about me but more importantly about the dedicated men and women who serve in this White House. And while 1 appreciate your generous comments about putting the staff together, I really would be remiss if I did not underscore that they reflect the President, the Vice President's input and their values in the White House makeup. Second, to respond to your question, I made almost an identical comment that, particularly with the benefit of hindsight, some things should have been done differently and Mr. Cutler points that out in his report and outlines really three steps: First, that any contacts relating to a particular law enforcement investigation should be initiated with White House Counsel approval. And as I said in my opening statement, even better, on a Counsel-to-Counsel basis which is what he recommends. And I would note that many of the contacts that are being discussed today had White House Counsel either approval or involvement or were handled on a Counsel-to-Counsel basis, but still there were too many contacts. And third, Mr. Cutler points out that lie and his colleagues in the White House Counsel's Office are drafting rules of conduct for the future concerning contacts between the Office of the White House Counsel and the Executive Branch agencies with law enforcement functions. The first two are already implemented, the third is in process and will be implemented shortly. 350 Senator DODD. I commend you for that and that's the kind of response and action
August 4, 1994 - Part 6
(14:10:46) I'm trying to think about why he would perhaps have imputed more meaning to the extent that he felt, quote, "whatever the pressure was that caused him to change his thinking," if he might have imputed to your comment, which was an offhand comment as you describe. it, a meaning beyond what you intended but what he might in his mind have attached to it. Do you understand what I'm saying? MS. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir, and Senator Riegle, I really believe that you are trying to understand this, and I really want to help you understand this, but I have to tell you, I do not know what was in Mr. Altman's mind. The CHAIRMAN. No, I understand. No, I'm not asking you to try to guess at that. I'm trying to, in my own mind, think about how two people with good intentions in the same meeting could have events unfold and come away with perhaps very different feelings about it. Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. You see what I'm saying? Ms. WILLIAMS. I absolutely see what you're saying. The CHAIRMAN. Committee stands in recess until 3:15. (14:11:57) [Recess.] (14:12:00) Hearing hosts KEN BODE and NINA TOTENBERG talk to Representative PETER KING of the House Banking Committee and close out morning's coverage (14:24:01) WETA logo, PBS funding credits
August 4, 1994 - Part 2
(10:55:42) He heard the testimony and he was sufficiently concerned about it. He had enough of those facts in his mind that the first moment that he had, he got up, went out into the hallway, this is his testi- mony, got on his mobile phone to call the White House, to say we have got a problem here, or whatever words he used, that the testi- mony was not complete and therefore presumably would be mis- leading because it was not full and complete. I do not know if you do that all the time or not. That sounds to me like a rather unusual procedure. Does that happen a lot? Mr. McLARTY. You mean in terms of the White House The CHAIRMAN. Having somebody from the Legal Counsel's Office coming to a hearing to listen and, in turn, have an immediate re- sponse capability if a problem of this sort arises? Mr. McLARTY. Well, Mr. Chairman, I think it would not be un- usual for someone from the White House to be in attendance at a Congressional hearing. That would not be an unusual situation. The CHAIRMAN. Well let me press you on that. I am talking about the Legal Counsel's Office. He was not up there at the table testifying. Ile was not part of Altman's team. They were up in the front row and so forth. He was somewhere back in the audience. Just as a matter of record, does the Legal Counsel's Office in the course of a week or a month of hearings, would they be up here all the time, some of the time, or on rare occasion? Mr. McLARTY. I really, Mr. Chairman, would think on some occa- sions but certainly not all of the time. The CHAIRMAN. It strikes me that it would be unusual for that to happen, It might happen on occasion, but I have to impute from 304 this that there was enough concern and sensitivity about this hearing that somebody from the Counsel's Office was detailed to be here in that hearing as a watchbird and as somebody to listen and be able to get back in a hurry. Isn't that a fair conclusion to draw from this? Mr. McLARTY. Well, Mr. Chairman, I understand your reasoning. This hearing, as I understood it or understand it, was on the RTC matters. I think it is understandable why the White House Counsel's office would be involved in that particular matter. And Mr. Eggleston has already given testimony to your Committee, as Senator Bryan and others have commented. The CHAIRMAN. I guess one of the things we will have to try to pin down is why when the alert went out Mr. Eggleston was here, did his job, and realized the testimony was not sufficient. He went:' out into the hallway. He phoned Mr. Podesta, and that set in motion a whole chain of events. The one event that did not get triggered was somebody coming to us promptly and saying: By the way, you just got something less than full and accurate testimony. So then what happens is that quite a long period of time ensues. We get four clarifying letters that come on different dates thereafter, none of which, as it turns out, are complete and full. In fact, it was not until these hearings took place that we got in a sense a full accounting insofar as one can be reconstructed, of the number of contacts and activities that would fit within the scope of the questions that were asked that day. That is troubling. I think it is troubling as a system, as a work system. I would hope that if an alert goes out like that and goes back to the White House that there would at least be two channels that it then goes down. One channel would be to say that within 24 hours we want that testimony corrected fully in every degree, and we want to make sure that that happens. I want somebody to come back-this is a hypothetical person in charge in the White House saying this, the Chief of Staff or somebody designated by you-and that I want to know that we are not going to leave a situation like that sort of hanging out there for days, or weeks, or in this case as it
August 4, 1994 - Part 6
(14:00:01)(tape #10091 begins) what steps have been taken at the White House within this Administration as a result of what's happened here, to minimize this from happening again? Just from an administrative standpoint, that would avoid the kind of proliferation of meetings and people being involved in something beyond their scope of responsibility, if you will. (14:00:28) Mr. McLARTY. Senator, first, thank you for your kind words and not only about me but more importantly about the dedicated men and women who serve in this White House. And while 1 appreciate your generous comments about putting the staff together, I really would be remiss if I did not underscore that they reflect the President, the Vice President's input and their values in the White House makeup. Second, to respond to your question, I made almost an identical comment that, particularly with the benefit of hindsight, some things should have been done differently and Mr. Cutler points that out in his report and outlines really three steps: First, that any contacts relating to a particular law enforcement investigation should be initiated with White House Counsel approval. And as I said in my opening statement, even better, on a Counsel-to-Counsel basis which is what he recommends. And I would note that many of the contacts that are being discussed today had White House Counsel either approval or involvement or were handled on a Counsel-to-Counsel basis, but still there were too many contacts. And third, Mr. Cutler points out that lie and his colleagues in the White House Counsel's Office are drafting rules of conduct for the future concerning contacts between the Office of the White House Counsel and the Executive Branch agencies with law enforcement functions. The first two are already implemented, the third is in process and will be implemented shortly. 350 Senator DODD. I commend you for that and that's the kind of response and action (14:02:01)(tape #10090 ends) that I'm pleased to see and undertaken of Your own initiative. It should be noted of course that you said 80 in your opening statement. As I mentioned last week, we've used a lot of language and acronyms and dates and names that could probably cause most people's eyes to glaze over. Except for the subject matter we're talking about, and the notion that this was an all-consuming set of events because that's what we're paying attention to here, as you point out in your testimony, goes far beyond that. From the end of September, September 29 to roughly March 3 or 4, 1994, is the window we're talking about. We passed the North American Free Trade Agreement, obtained a GATT agreement, and the President traveled a number of places worldwide. There's a whole list of things that you included in your testimony that involved-I know because I was involved in a number of these things--countless hours, countless meetings and this did not cause a paralyzation of activity at all. Quite to the contrary. A lot of other things were going on and I think that should be noted as well.. With that I thank both of you for being here today and I commend you on your testimony. Mr. McLARTY. Senator, thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Let me just indicate, I've talked to the Senators on this side and I have not received any indication from anybody that has any further questions right now. Is that correct, Senator Sasser? Senator SASSER. Well, Mr. Chairman, to paraphrase our own colleague, Stu Udall, every question has been asked of this panel that needs to be asked. I'm just not sure that everybody's asked it yet. [Laughter.] Senator D'AMATO. Mr. Chairman Senator SASSER. But frankly, I don't have any further questions. Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Let me also say it will be my intention, once we finish with this panel which I hope we can do shortly, we'll take roughly a half an hour break because we know we've got two other panels today and we want to get through both of those, so that we can let people get a bite of lunch. We'll start roughly a half an hour after we recess. So let's finish up with this panel now. Senator Bond. Senator BOND. Just a couple of quick questions and I'll try to be brief. Mr. McLarty, when you are going to do an interview, show or major appearance, do you normally have somebody prepare a briefing memo for you on positions that the White House has taken or that you are taking? Do you have a memo prepared for you? Mr. McLARTY. Senator, usually it is not in written form. It really depends on the type of interview. Usually the preparation is rather brief and, frankly, reflects a discussion with two or three people that are involved in topical areas that the interview will probably focus on. Usually there's-usually there's nothing written, prepared. Senator BOND. Is there anybody generally responsible for that, preparing you on those interviews? Mr. McLARTY. It really depends on the type of interview and the topics and what is topical at the time. If it's going to be on foreign 351 policy, the briefing would normally come from the NSC. If it's on economic matters, it would come from the National Economic Counsel personnel.
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