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Orange Bowl: Nebraska 13, Auburn 7
Nebraska goes into the Orange Bowl as the under-dog but with the help of a 85 yard touchdown run by Dennis Claridge in the first minute and 13 seconds of play, the Cornhuskers take charge. Auburn scores once in the 3rd quarter but it's too little - too late. Miami, Florida Miami's Orange Bowl, crowded stadium, marching band on the field with a huge American Flag. OHS - Sports fans packed the stadium. MSOH - Dennis Claridge runs 68 yards with the ball and he scores a touchdown. MLS - Nebraska punts the ball and it received by George Rose and he fumbles and it is recovered by Nebraska. In the third quarter Auburn gets rolling and passes to Bucky Wade for 28 yards.
Cotton Bowl: Texas 28, Navy 6
University of Texas manager to contain Navy ace Roger Staubach at critical points as Duke Carlisle quarterbacks the Longhorns to glory. He throws two touchdown passes to Phil Harris. One of the Carlisle pass plays is 58 yards and the other 63 yards. Navy Ace, Staubach, completes 21 of 31 passes to no avail, though he does score the only Navy touchdown. Dallas, Texas At Dallas, Texas out side shot of the Cotton Bowl Stadium. The word A R M Y is spelled out on the football field by the army marching band. MS - News Reel cameras and sports crowd the top tier of the stadium. MS - Navy has the ball and Duke Carlisle carries the ball and lays the ground work for his first touchdown. MS - Carlisle unleashes a bomb and shakes the Navy, he throws the ball it is caught by Phil Harris and he runs 58 yards a scores a touchdown. MS - Carlisle and Harris to team up again, Carlisle passes, Harris catches the ball and takes it home for another touchdown. Tommy Ford has the ball and once again takes it up close to the goal line, Texas is on a roll. MS - Finally Navy has the ball, Roger passes it and its caught. On the next play Roger sees no one open so he takes the ball over the goal scoring 6 points. Texas wins 28 to Navy 6.
Sugar Bowl: Alabama 12, Mississippi 7
There's a sweet football on tap at the Sugar Bowl in a game that becomes "The Case of the Educated Toe". Alabama's Tim Davis kicks four field goals to score all of Alabama's 12 points. Again this is a game where the losing team, Mississippi, manages to squeeze out a score in the final quarter to avoid a whitewash. New Orleans, Louisiana Sugar Bowl has 80-thousand football fans cheering on their teams. MLS - Alabama's Tim Davis kicks a field goal. MOHS - Mississippi fumbles and Butch Henry recovers for Alabama. MOHS - Tim Davis kicks the ball 48-yards for a field goal the longest in any Bowl Game history.
N.Y. Blaze Blacks Out Waterfront
A roaring fire casts a dark blanket over mid-town Manhattan as a blaze engulfs a waterfront pier. Six fireboats and scores of fire engines fight the blaze for an hour before bringing it under control. The pier was due for demolition anyway, so the fire just rang down the curtain early on one of New York's landmarks. Manhattan, New York, NY Fire men, hoses and a building burning. CUS - Top of the building burning. MS - Fire Tug Boat with all its hoses turned on and aimed at the pie, it's an old railroad terminal that has turned out to be a 5 alarm fire. CUS - Through the smoke you can see a fire man holding a hose, other firemen around him. MS - Three firemen standing on a smoke filled roof of a building, you can see the fire ladder leading to the roof.
Winter Olympics Preview
Scores of nations are in the frenzy of last-minute preparations for the opening of the Winter Olympics games in Austria. Germany is picking her ski-jumping team in final tests at Oberstdorf and they jump as far as 252 feet. There will be thrills at the Olympics and that's not jumping at conclusions. Oberstdorf, Germany Skiers getting in condition at Oberstdorf for the up-coming Olympics. MS - One of the skiers take on the course of long jumping and ends up sliding on his belly. MS - Another skier come along and jumps and has a successful jump.
August 4, 1994 - Part 6
(14:05:23) Senator BOND. Do you have any recollection who would have prepared you for that CNN interview show which I have referred to in the last line of questioning, where you talked about Mr. Altman's position? Do you know who would have done it or who did it? Mr. MCLARTY. Senator, as I recall it, that was a relatively farranging interview, as many are, and I think I received briefings from several people. Perhaps someone from the White House Counsel's Office would have briefed me on the matter that you are speaking of I honestly don't recall the briefing. As I remember, it was a busy time and I didn't spend a lot of time getting briefed before that interview. Senator BOND. And I can understand that. I'm trying to find out who did it because the concern I have is, there was much discussion in the White House about the inaccuracy of Mr. Altman's testimony, but that seems to be as far as it got. There was talk about it. I personally received a telephone call on March 2nd from Mr. Altman, not because he had discovered that the testimony was in error, his first words to me were The Washington Post is going to publish this story the next day, and I have the sinking feeling that I found out only because it was going to be in the newspaper the next day. That's why I'm trying to find out who should have or would have been in a position to brief you, to tell you why the testimony by Altman was not correct or why you were not given the information that the recusal should have been discussed. Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time. The CHAIRMAN. I right. Let me just indicate I've been informed that the Senate is about to start four back-to-back votes starting at 2:10. The first one will run for 20 minutes; the next three, 5 minutes each. That will take us into the range, by the time they announce those votes and so forth, to a little bit after 3:00. So I'm going to, in a moment, discharge these witnesses and indicate that we'll start with our next panel. We'll recess the Committee as well. We'll start our next panel at 3:15, so those witnesses can be on notice. I want to say to these two witnesses, we appreciate, very much, your testimony. I have one other question that I want to put to Ms. Williams before this vote starts. I was listening very carefully to everything that's been said, not just by the two of you but by all of our witnesses, and I'm trying to make sense out of this obvious contradiction between Mr. Altman, his diary, what he bases that on and the testimony that we've gotten here from you today, and also very much on the recusal issue. What I'm wondering is this: I'm looking for how, how could that plausibly be, how could that ever be reconciled? I'm wondering, Ms. Williams, you came to the meeting late, the meeting that we're talking about on February 2nd? Ms. WILLIAMS. That's correct sir. The CHAIRMAN. You arrived late at the meeting. So anything that went on in the meeting before you got there, you are obviously not going to know about because you weren't there; isn't that fair to say? Ms. WILLIAMS. That would be fair to say, Senator. The CHAIRMAN. So whatever lie might have taken away from that meeting that occurred before you arrived would be between the other participants in the meeting and him and that would be outside the scope of your knowledge; wouldn't that be fair to say? Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. That would be fair to say. The CHAIRMAN. OK. Also, when you came in, you weren't prepared or briefed or ready to discuss recusal, as I understand your testimony today, in any formal fashion. The issue came up and you gave a point of view, essentially off the top of your head; would that--I don't say that disrespectfully, but would that be a fair way to characterize it? Ms, WILLIAMS. Very much off the top of my head. The CHAIRMAN. In fact, Mr. Nussbaum, you felt, in the meeting was sort of dismissive of your point of view. You also said that today, did you not? Ms. WILLIAMS. I believe I mentioned that. The CHAIRMAN. I thought I heard that. In any case, I'm wondering, just to try to reconcile these two accounts if, in Mr. Altman's mind, if he's in there and he's already gotten a dose of negative feedback on his decision to recuse himself-I'm just theorizing now-if, when you offered your opinion, which was a spontaneous opinion that you offered at that particular time, if he might have construed your opinion to be one either coming-you have two roles in the White House, you work for the President, you work for the First Lady-whether Altman, in his frame of mind, might have thought that whatever opinion you were giving was not just your opinion, but maybe you were giving an opinion that might have been a reflection of either the President's or the First Lady's.
Footprints In The Cement Of Time
For the first time in 30 years a child movie star is immortalized at Grauman's Chinese Theatre, a Hollywood landmark. The teen-ager honored is Hayley Mills, (daughter of British actor, John Mills), who has scored her latest hit in the film version of "The Chalk Garden". Now her hand and footprints are in the sidewalk in front of the famous theatre. Hollywood, California Out side Graumann's Chinese Theatre it is jammed packed with fans of Haley Mills. MS - A young Haley Mills is introduced to the outside audience. MCUS - Haley Mills is on her knees and she's placing her hands in wet cement in front of Graumann's Theatre. CUS - Fans standing behind the ropes. MCUS - Haley is held by her hands as she steps into the wet cement leaving her footprints.
August 4, 1994 - Part 2
(10:00:01)(tape #10098 begins) Ms. WILLIAMS. You would have to ask Mr. Altman why he called me. Senator GRAMM. Why do you think he called you? Ms. WILLIAMS. One, Mr. Altman and I talked frequently about Health Care, all the time, in fact. In fact, one of the things that I did both as an Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff to the First Lady is I did a lot of meeting facilitation. I would try and get Senator GRAMM. Well, but he says in his diary that he had talked to you about Whitewater. He has in quotes that you had told him, "that the First Lady was paralyzed by it." (10:00:44) Ms. WILLIAMS. Senator Gramm, you must let me take one ques- tion at a time. If you want me to go back and talk about the diary, then I am happy to do so. If you want me to finish this one question Senator GRAMM. My one problem is that my light is about to turn red and I am not going to get back to ask a question for 2 hours. You understand that. Ms. WILLIAMS. I understand that, but my problem is I have to tell you what I know. The CHAIRMAN. We will give you a chance, when he finishes, to answer both questions. Senator GRAMM. If, on my time, you will go back and try to tell me why you think he, of all the people he could have called, why he would call the Chief of Staff of the First Lady to set up this meeting for him to come over and say, I am not taking myself out of the investigation of Madison? Ms. WILLIAMS. First of all, let me say that I am very uncomfortable speculating about why Mr, Altman called me, because it will only be speculation. But I will say that I talk to Mr. Altman regularly in the course, of Health Care. I will say that I am known to be a person who puts people together to facilitate meetings. I would also say that I have instant access to Mr. Ickes, Mr. Stephanopoulos, and also people in the Counsel's Office. 285 So I think it might have been as a matter of convenience kind of one- stop shopping, since this is what I had done (10:02:10)(tape #10087 ends) during my work on Health Care. In the second question what about the diaries? Senator GRAMM. Well, I was simply, in the second question, pointing out that you had had previous contact with Mr. Altman. He had referred in his diaries to Whitewater and had put in parentheses, as if it were a quote from you, about the First Lady being paralyzed by the Whitewater matter. Did that have anything to do with Mr. Altman wanting to deliver what at least he perceived that the White House would view as great and glorious news, I that he was not taking himself out of this investigation? Ms. WILLIAMS. Well, first of all, you start, in my view, from the wrong premise, You start from the premise that I had conversations with Mr. Altman about Whitewater. Now, his diary may say that, but my testimony to you today is that I do not have recollections of those conversations, so I cannot even start from that premise. The CHAIRMAN. Your time is up here, and we can come back to this in another round. I do not know if you had a chance to see those diary entries, but have you? Because I want you to have them if you are going to be asked questions about them. Ms. WILLIAMS. They have been read to me, and I understand essentially what they say. The CHAIRMAN. Very good. Thank you. Senator Dodd. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR DODD Senator DODD. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First of all, Ms. Williams, I think your testimony has been excellent to this point and I would like to bring up one point immediately, because we had some testimony yesterday from one of the members of the Counsel's Office about the length of the February 3 meeting, and someone can check the record for me, but my recollection of less than 24 hours ago is that one of the attorneys said the meeting lasted something like 10 seconds. I do not know whether they were engaging in a little hyperbole to create the impression it was brief. You said no one sat down. That certainly gives me the impression that this was not a meeting of any length at all. Normally, people sit a little bit, So that meeting lasted how long, roughly in your mind, 10-we heard 10 seconds, you said 10 minutes. Obviously, someone is going to make a lot of this, I promise you. We might as well get to it right away, and it sounds to me like you are both probably within the ball park, It was a brief meeting? Ms. WILLIAMS. Brief would be a correct characterization of it. Senator DODD. No one sat down? MS. WILLIAMS. No one sat down. Senator DODD. You do not recall any conversation per se about it? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, I do not. 286 Senator DODD. OK, You clearly recall Mr. Altman calling you to set up that meeting? MS. WILLIAMS. I do recall that, Senator DODD. Mr. Altman says that he believed he called Mr. Ickes. However, I think he also said he could easily be wrong about that, in fairness to him here today. Although he believes he called Mr. Ickes, we can ask Mr. Ickes and I think probably close the loop on that this afternoon.
Berlin Wall Is Sealed Once More
The Berlin Wall is sealed once more as the 17 day pass agreement ends. Westerners say their last goodbyes to East German relatives before returning to free Berlin. During the period nearly a million and a quarter passes were issued to West Berlin residents. Not surprisingly, there wasn't one who decided to defect to Communism. East and West Berlin, Germany Camera pans the Berlin Wall made of bricks and cement and in back of that bar wire. MCUS - A family reunited hugging on the other side of the Berlin Wall. MS - You see the top of the barb wire wall with throngs to get on the other side to see family members in East Berlin. MS - People walking through the opening of the wall from West to East Berlin. MCUS - Someone on the East side of the wall is replacing the barrier to keep the West Berliners out. MS - West Berliners walking next to the Berlin Wall, the father is holding the child in his arms as he walks with his wife.
Roll Out The Barrels
They are jumping for joy at a resort in the Catskills as 20 high-flying speedsters compete in the 14th annual barrel jump. The test draws the crowds to Grossinger's and they see Kenneth LeBel defend his title successfully. Grossinger, New York, Catskill Mts. In the Catskill Mountains a ice skaters are competing in Ice Skating World Jumping Barrel Championships. MS - The first jumper makes a jump over all the barrels. CUS - Spectators are applauding his efforts. MCUS - One of the officials just laid down a 16th barrel. MCUS - Two of the jumpers fall short of the 16th barrel. MCUS - Man from Lake Placid, New York skates and clears all 16 barrels. He is the only one who cleared the barrels and he takes home the trophy as Champion for another year. Winner holding up his arms and the trophy is being awarded by pretty Mary Ann Mobley.
Storm Report: Blizzard Hits Wide Area
The worst blizzard of the season spreads from the Midwest to the Atlantic seaboard. Again, nature puts the brakes on the wheels of progress as automobile traffic slows and stops, airlines are grounded and trains run hours behind time. Oh well, Spring is only about two months away. Only?? Aerial view of city street with cars in blizzard. A crowded expressway on a snowy afternoon. MCUS - City traffic, snowing, traffic moving slow. POV - Inside a car, snowing, two cars in shot and windshield wipers are turned on. MS - Snow building on the street, a couple of cars pulled over to the side of the road. MS - A tow truck hooking up a stalled car. MCUS - Man with a shovel digging his car out of the snow on a city's side street. MCUS - Empty bridges, empty gas stations, and empty streets and the snow is really coming down and accumulating. View from top of a building of heavy traffic on this street and a lot of snow coming down. MS - People helping one another cross a street.
First Lady's Tour: Inspects Coal Areas Hit By Unemployment
Mrs. Lyndon Johnson assumes her duties as First Lady with a visit to one of the nation's distressed areas -- the coal mining region of Scranton and Wilkes Barre, Pa. She attends the dedication of a science center designed to train unemployed men in new skills that will attract modern industries to the area. Pennsylvania The First Lady, Lady Bird Johnson is greeting and shaking hands with the people who live in Scranton and Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. MS - Throngs stand behind the ropes. MCUOH - Lady Bird smiling and shaking hands with children and adults. CUS - Lady Bird Johnson attending a dedication.
August 4, 1994 - Part 2
(10:05:25) Let me also ask you this. Senator Gramm just made reference the words in the diaries. We have heard some rather florid language in diaries over these last several days. I almost think someone were an understudy for Louis Lamour to hear some of the language. Are you in the habit of talking about Mrs. Clinton's moods with people in the White House, friends of yours, and how she is doing, from day to day, or feeling? 1. Is that something you are likely to share with even close friends? MS. WILLIAMS. It is not something that I would share with close, friends. It is not something that I would share with anyone, maybe my immediate staff. Otherwise, I think it just amounts to gossip. Senator DODD. Well, I happen to agree with you, and I presume you would not be in your job long if that were the case. I certainly would not tolerate it in my office, and I presume the First Family". would not be particularly anxious to have someone discussing their' moods with people. So I accept your answer in that matter as being fairly good. Mr. McLarty, welcome to the Committee. Mr. McLARTY. Thank you, Senator. Senator DODD. Let me run through a series of questions for you. When did you first learn about the RTC's criminal referral regarding Madison? Mr. McLARTY. Some time in November. Senator DODD. Of? Mr. McLARTY. 1993. Senator DODD. And when did you first learn that Jean Hanson had spoken with Mr. Nussbaum on September 29, 1993? Mr. McLARTY. After Mr. Altman's testimony to this Committee, after February 24th. Senator DODD, After February 24th? Mr. MCLARTY. Yes, sir, that is correct. Senator DODD, Let me ask you this. Do you believe it was appropriate for Ms, Hanson to have had that discussion with Mr. Nussbaum and others at the White House? Mr. Chairman, I am having a hard time Mr. Chairman, I am just having a hard time hearing. [Pause.] Do you believe that it was appropriate for Ms. Hanson to have had the discussion with Mr. Nussbaum? Mr. McLARTY. I asked Mr. Cutler, the White House Counsel, to look into all of the matters in this time period, and I believe that he concluded that he felt this meeting was appropriate, and I, would rely on his judgment. 287 Senator DODD. Do you have any knowledge, Mr. McLarty, as to whether or not Ms. Hanson received instructions? We have heard a lot of different words used to describe how she was, how that meeting occurred. I gather it was around the Waco discussion, and at the end of that, sort of an aside. We have had enough testimony, I think, to probably establish that was the case. Do you have any knowledge as to whether or not Ms. Hanson was sent to that meeting by Mr. Altman? Mr. McLARTY. No, I do not, Senator. Senator DODD. Now, you did not attend the February 2, 1994, meeting? Mr. MCLARTY. That is correct, Senator Dodd. Senator DODD. But you received a call after that meeting from Mr. Altman? Mr. MCLARTY. Yes. Mr. Altman called me a couple of days after that meeting, and I returned his call. Senator DODD. Well, as it pertains to the subject matter before this hearing, did any part of that conversation touch on Mr. Altman's discussions during the February 2nd meeting? Mr. MCLARTY. I do not know that he characterized them that way. He called me, I returned his call a couple of days later. When we made connections, he noted he was weighing the matter of recusal. I listened. Senator DODD. Let me stop you there. This was a couple of days after, this is like maybe February 4th, then? Mr. MCLARTY. Somewhere in that time frame. Senator DODD. So it is after February 3rd, it is after the February 3rd meeting, as well? Mr. MCLARTY. Senator, as I recall it, it was a couple, three days after the February 2nd date that we made connections. Senator DODD. He is weighing recusal at this point? Mr. MCLARTY. He told me he was weighing recusal. I listened to him, told him I was sympathetic with the situation, and encouraged him to make the judgment he felt was the right one. It was a brief conversation. Senator DODD. Did you get the sense from him in that conversation that he was sort of agonizing over this decision somehow? Mr. McLARTY. I do not know that I would use the word agonizing. He said he was weighing the matter, as I recall the telephone conversation, Senator. Senator DODD. Did he mention to you at all what had happened at the February 2nd meeting regarding conversations with Mr. Nussbaum and others about reasons why he should not recuse himself? Mr. McLARTY. No , it was not a lengthy conversation and I do not recall that kind of detail in this telephone visit. Senator DODD. I presume you have explored the issue, since it has now been a matter of public discussion for some time about what happened at that February 2nd meeting regarding the recusal discussion. Can you share with the Committee what you know about what was said at that meeting and whether or not, in your opinion, what was said by Mr. Nussbaum and others constituted pressure, for 288 lack of a better word, since that one's been used the most around here in the last several days? Mr. McLARTY. Well, Senator, it is my understanding that Mr. Altman, I believe, has testified he did not feel any pressure and it is my understanding that the other people that attended that meeting felt they were not applying pressure, In terms of my own opinion, I think there has been a number of views expressed about the matter, and Mr. Cutler and others can speak to that. I am of the view, really, very much like Secretary Bentsen, that it really is up to the individual to make his own judgment and that is what I encouraged Deputy Secretary Altman to do.
The World Mourns John Fitzgerald Kennedy
The final act in the tragedy of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, 35th President of The United States is one of the most memorable in history. Kings, Queens, Presidents, Premiers, Princes and Princesses, Emperors and Dictators - they come from the far corners of the earth to pay tribute to the man who had served the world while he served the nation. From the moment his casket is borne from the White House to lie in state at the Capitol it is a drama filled with high emotion. All through the night people file past the bier. Some standing in a 10-mile long line for as long as 12 hours. To pray. To mourn. To weep. Then the cortege winds from the Capitol to Saint Matthew's Cathedral for a Pontifical Funeral Mass while Mrs. Kennedy walks for six long blocks behind the caisson drawn by six white horses. After the religious rites the cortege proceeds to the cemetery of Heroes --- Arlington --- where the martyred President will rest. At the end of the solemn, heart-rending graveside honors, Mrs. Kennedy lights a flame that will burn forever in his memory. Rest In Peace. Washington DC
August 4, 1994 - Part 2
(10:10:46) Senator DODD. Ms. Williams, let me jump very quickly to two final questions. In that February 2nd meeting, we have heard testimony that Mr. Altman made the point specifically at that meeting that Ms. Kulka was going to handle the RTC civil matters, make all the decisions on it, and that the February 28th deadline was not going to pose a problem because a complaint could be filed. What is your recollection regarding that testimony? Do you agree with that, or disagree with that? Ms. WILLIAMS. On the whole, I believe I agree with that. I do not remember the names. Ms. Kulka's name does not strike a bell with me, but I would not challenge that if names were discussed. Senator DODD. Did he make it clear that someone else was going to be responsible for this other than himself? Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, he did. Senator DODD. All right. Mr. Chairman, can I ask one last question here? The CHAIRMAN. All right. Senator DODD. This is the question I have asked all of the witnesses, because it goes to the central question I think, and I apologize. I read it because I want every word to be correct in it, and I ask this of both of you. Did either of you take or instruct anyone to take any action to obstruct or impede the Resolution Trust Corporation's handling of either the criminal or civil case against Madison Guaranty? Mr. McLarty. Mr. MCLARTY. No, sir, I did not. Senator DODD. Ms. Williams. Ms. WILLIAMS. No, sir, I did not. Senator DODD. Are either of you aware of anyone in either the RTC or the Treasury Department or the White House taking any action to obstruct or impede the Resolution Trust Corporation's handling of either the criminal or civil case against Madison Guaranty? Mr. McLarty. Mr. McLARTY. No, sir, I am not, as I commented in my opening statement. Senator DODD. Ms. Williams. Ms. WILLIAMS. No, sir, I am not aware. Senator DODD. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I apologize. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Dodd. Senator Mack. 289 OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR MACK Senator MACK. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And allow me just a moment of lightness here, if I could. It has all been pretty tense over the last 3 or 4 days. One of the observations I have picked up about what is going on down at the White House, and I think you might want to take back down there, is the theme I see kind of running throughout here, that no one has time to sit down, all conversations are brief conversations, and nobody remembers anything. And so maybe the suggestion would be to maybe slow things down a little bit, have longer conversations, sit down and discuss things through, and maybe someone will remember something. Anyway, it is just a side comment. [Laughter.] Mr. McLARTY. Senator, as always, we will take your comments under advisement. Senator MACK. Ms. Williams, are you aware of a memo written by Bruce Lindsey on October 20th, which he copied to you, concerning press inquiries about the criminal referrals on Madison? MS. WILLIAMS. No. Senator MACK. Do you have any idea why you would have been copied on such a memo? MS. WILLIAMS. No. I am not clear why I would have been, I have since seen that memo, and it is about a press inquiry, and the Director of Communications was copied on that memo, so I could have been copied because it was a press inquiry. However, Mr. Lindsey, I believe, has testified that in fact the memo may never have gotten to me at all because the cc's on it were for an earlier memo. I do not know exactly the ins and outs of that, but I am sure Mr. Lindsey can speak to it. Senator MACK. Would it be normal for you, though, basically to be copied on concerns, (a) about press, and (b) about what was going on with Whitewater? Ms. WILLIAMS. I would generally be copied about press inquiries, Yes. Senator MACK. You stated that the Whitewater response team was formed in October or November. Since two of the members of the team were copied on this memo, was it the subject of any of those meetings? Ms. WILLIAMS. Well, first of all, to the best of my recollection, there was no Whitewater response team in October or November, as such. The Whitewater response team, as I recall, and Mr. McLarty may be helpful since he organized it, was in January, was when we first had any meetings, organized meetings in any kind of routine way. I recall January specifically because Mr. Ickes did not come to the White House until January, and he was the person who was asked to focus, in an organized fashion, on Whitewater press inquiries.
August 4, 1994 - Part 2
(10:15:37) Senator MACK. OK, let me just ask one more follow up to that. Ms. WILLIAMS, Yes, sir. Senator MACK. Are you saying to us that you were not at meetings during October and November of 1993, where the criminal referrals were discussed? 290 MS. WILLIAMS. That is what 1 am saying, sir, other than the Feb- ruary 2nd meeting, I had not been at any other meetings. Senator MACK. All right. At this time) Mr. Chairman, I would just yield the balance of time to Senator Gramm. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Gramm. Senator GRAMM. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Let me go back to this question about the entry by Mr. Altman into his private diary, a diary that he never had any reason to believe was ever going to be made public, ever scrutinized, in which he says that you told him the First Lady was paralyzed. And let me say that how the First Lady felt on any day is none of our business in many ways, but it is only relevant to this issue, it seem's to me, because of this meeting in your office on February 3rd, Mr. Altman is asked, in sworn testimony, what did You understand Ms. Williams to be conveying when she talked about solving this problem, the problem about the First Lady. And Mr. Altman says, "Mrs. Clinton is upset. My understanding was that, or the context was that, Mrs. Clinton was so distracted or upset by Whitewater, she could not," and then he loses the focus. Mr. Altman had called on February 3rd and asked you to set up a meeting so that he could come over to the White House to tell people, after this meeting the day before, that he had decided not to recuse himself. He had come over to the White House on February 2nd to announce his recusal but now he changed his mind. Now he is coming back to say, I am not going to take myself out of the Madison investigation. He makes that announcement in your office. We have had this dispute about time, and your Counsel has told you that, well, isn't 10 seconds 10 minutes. I'll leave that alone for the time being, but let me ask you a question. Did you report this meeting, or did you ever have any discussion about the recusal issue, or about Altman's recusal decisions, with the First Lady? Ms. WILLIAMS No, sir, I did not. To the best of my recollection, I did not. Senator GRAMM. Never, ever, on any occasion, did you talk to the First Lady about Roger Altman's decision as to whether to stay in his position overseeing the Madison investigation or whether to take himself out of it? Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir, I understand the question. To the best of my recollection, I did not. Let me refer you to my statement. In my statement, I said that I had made a conscious decision for myself and for other members of my staff that we would not spend our time discussing issues re lated to Whitewater with Mrs. Clinton unless we were fact-finding to respond to press inquiries. Let me tell you a little bit why I did this, so you will have some context and you can understand it. Whitewater certainly was a concern in the White House. it was a distraction, but it was not Senator GRAMM. Let me be sure I have asked the question both ways. Did the First Lady ever raise these issues with you? 291 MS. WILLIAMS. No, she did not. Sir, I would like to, if I may, Mr. Chairman, I would like to continue because I think it is really important for me to put this in some kind of context so you can understand the mindset that I was operating from. I knew that in the newspapers everyday, Mrs. Clinton and the President were being beaten up on about Whitewater. I also knew that even though Mrs. Clinton does not normally read the newspapers, it would be very hard to avoid them. I also knew that she was engaged in fact-finding with her personal lawyer, which was taking up a lot of time on Whitewater. I made what I believe was a sound and good management decision Senator GRAMM. Ms. Williams MS. WILLIAMS. Excuse me, sir, may I just finish this please? The CHAIRMAN. Senator Gramm, I want to let her finish. I'll restore your time, because she has asked to do this, and I think it is important that she have the chance to do so. Senator GRAMM. And let me say I understand you want to give us the context that is very important. You understand our frustration that we are on a clock? MS. WILLIAMS. I do. I understand that. I really do. But I think that this might save us time in the long run. Senator GRAMM. I do not want my mom to watch this and say I was not letting you talk. Ms. WILLIAMS. Right. My mom's right here and she does not want to let me talk. [Laughter.] Senator GRAMM. Now that we understand each other. The CHAIRMAN. Listen, why don't you have your mother call his mother. [Laughter.] MS. WILLIAMS. But I had made a very conscious, and I think a sound management decision about what it was I would discuss with Mrs. Clinton. I thought to myself, she has the newspapers, she has her personal lawyers, she has whoever else that she wants to talk to in the White House about it, be it the
Special Release: President Assassinated
Newsreel regarding the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy. Orig UI Text: President John Fitzgerald Kennedy is dead at the hand of a madman. Lyndon B. Johnson becomes the 36th President of the United States. In the midst of cheering crowds as he rode through downtown Dallas, Mr. Kennedy fell before assassin's bullets fired from a warehouse along the route of the motorcade. A nation is bowed in grief. The world mourns. A feeling of shocked disbelief swept over the nation as the news came that the 46 year old Mr. Kennedy had been murdered. Men & women wept unashamedly in the streets. Then came grief & revulsion. Bells tolled & flags were lowered to half-mast in sorrowful tribute to the 4th U.S. President to lose his life to an assassin. Message of sympathy poured in from world leaders. The youngest man ever elected U.S. President, Mr. Kennedy was a best-selling author at 23, a war hero at 26. A U.S. Representative at 29, a Senator at 35. Scion of one of the nation's wealthiest families he avoided the life of ease to dedicate himself to public service. He executed many difficult problems of his office with a skill that brought sunshine to the Presidency. Now he is dead."
Assassin Killed: President's Slayer Shot In Dallas Jail
Madness and hate erupt anew in Dallas as President Kennedy's accused assassin is shot down during a jail transfer. Here is the record as Lee Harvey Oswald walks his last mile. Two cameras record the moment as the murderer moves in. Forty-eight hours and seven minutes after the President's death, his accused slayer is dead. Dallas, Texas Jail transfer taking place where Lee Harvey Oswald is being led away by law enforcement officials. MCU - The rife allegedly used by Oswald. MS - An armored truck is backing in to the jail building. MS - Oswald being led down the hall lined with news paper men on each side of the hall. MCUS - A shot rings out and Oswald goes down. MCUS - The framed is replayed frame by frame and there you see Jack Ruby move in and shoot Lee Harvey Oswald. MS - Ambulance rushing in to take Lee Harvey Oswald to the same hospital that cared for President Kennedy. 48 hours and 7 minutes after President Kennedy's death, Lee Harvey Oswald is pronounced dead.
August 4, 1994 - Part 2
(10:20:41) I have a job to do. My job is to focus on Health Care, to focus on our social obligations, to focus on her obligations as a First Lady. I had a staff of 13 people that were trying to do the work of 35 people and I had to keep them focused. And the other thing, let me just tell you, I am sensitive to because this is how I would want to be approached, when I came to see Mrs. Clinton, I wanted her to see me and think, we are going to be talking about the business of the White House. Mrs. Clinton did not say to me, when she asked me to join her staff, come and be my legal representative. What she said to me, come and we might be able to make a difference in this country. I took her at her word, and that is how I compartmentalized my time. The CHAIRMAN. I think that is important context and it was important that you say it. Would you add back the time for Senator D'Amato, 2 minutes I mean, Senator Gramm. 292 Senator GRAMM. Well, first of all, let me say that we would wish that everybody in American Government had that approach, and I am sure you do, and I think the country benefits from it. I do not doubt that you are focused on those things, I do not doubt that you are trying to promote that agenda. The obvious question we are trying to ask is, you have a person who is in agony, it seems to me, from everything we know that is said in private in diaries. But in testimony, in sworn testimony, it is almost like none of this is happening. Mr. Altman is trying to make a decision. lie is the President's close friend. He is overseeing a criminal investigation or a civil investigation where the President's name has been mentioned. He is under immense pressure from himself to get out of it. He is under immense pressure, at least if we believe what people write in their diaries, privately, that he is under immense pressure from the White House to stay in it. Mr. Altman makes a fateful decision. He decides to stay in it at a critical moment when the clock is ticking away, the statute of limitations is running out, which to people in America means the danger's passed, nothing can be done about it. Mr. Altman decides to come over to the White House to tell people that he has decided to stay in it, which is what he believes they want him to do. It seems to me that the relevant question to us is, why he would pick the Chief of Staff of the First Lady to set up this meeting. Now your answer, and I believe that the facts are right. You have instant access to everybody at the White House, you are a facilitator, you are getting things done, you can pull people together. You call up these people, they're going to be there. The question then is, did he call you as the First Lady's Chief of Staff because you can get things done and you can make it happen, or was there some special relevance about your position with the First Lady? That obviously is the question and we have heard your answer. Let me go back to this matter of 10 minutes versus 10 seconds. There is a big difference between 10 minutes and 10 seconds. I know the Counsel believes that there isn't, but there is. The story we have heard to this point is that people have gotten together. Mr. Altman comes in the room, he has got his briefcase in his hand. He set up this meeting. He called you. He asked you to get these people together. He comes in and says, I am not taking myself out of Madison. He can say that in 10 seconds. What happened during the rest of this time? That is what I would like to know. Ms. WILLIAMS. Well, sir, let me---- The CHAIRMAN. We need a brief answer but a full answer. [Laugher.] MS. WILLIAMS. Well, sir, as I said when I was first asked about the time, I do not really remember the time. I threw in 10 minutes, not because I have an absolute recollection or I was watching the clock, but I was trying to think of a brief amount of time, I am sorry I was not making distinctions about seconds, but was trying to emphasize the briefness of the meeting, which is why I added to my testimony that everyone was standing up, and, as I have said in my statement, that Mr. Altman was on his way out the door. 293 So I do not feel confident enough to parry with you on whether it was 10 minutes or 10 seconds. But I am confident of the briefness of the meeting, given that, one, everyone was standing up, two, that Mr. Altman was on his way to an appointment, which I remember distinctly, because he had said, I am running late, I have got to get to where I am going. So that is what I recall.
Greek Queen Honored In United States
Queen Frederica of Greece arrives in the U.S., on a 17 day unofficial visit. She receives an honorary degree from Columbia University. New York, NY The Ocean Liner the United States docking in New York harbor. MS - Queen Frederica of Greece and her daughter Princess Irene MCU - News photographer and his camera MCUS - A little girl presents Queen Frederica with a bouquet of flowers her daughter Princess Irene smiling in the back ground. MCUS - Dean Rusk, Mrs. Rusk, Princess Irene, and Queen Frederica.
Robert Kennedy Concludes Mission
The Attorney-General pauses in Korea on his trouble shooting trip to end tensions among Indonesia, the Philippines and the new Malaysian federation. His efforts appear to be successful. Korea The Attorney General, and his wife Ethel visit American troops along the truce line in Korea. CUS - Robert Kennedy stretching his arm out to shake hands with the American troops who are stationed on the base. MCUS - Robert and Ethel Kennedy meeting with Korean dignitaries.
August 4, 1994 - Part 2
(10:25:48) The CHAIRMAN. Thank you very much. Senator Kerry. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR KERRY Senator KERRY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I hope we can all get the time of answers added back to our time too. Mr. Chairman, I think we are getting to the point with this hearing, or these 3 days have narrowed the focus of this that we may well even be getting to the point of beating to death the fairly narrow focus of what this is being reduced to, which is the question of Mr. Altman's testimony and Mr. Altman's recusal. It's certainly not a question of any of the very highfalutin, broad sweeping allegations made over the course of months, and I think it is very important for this hearing to begin to focus on that for the American people. Now, Mr. McLarty, you were Chief of Staff in the White House. You were also, or you are perhaps one of the very best friends of the President of the United States. Is that true? Mr. McLARTY. We have had a long-time relationship beginning when we both were children growing up in Hope, Arkansas. Senator KERRY. You have known each other through almost all campaigns and through all of his life in politics? Mr. McLARTY. We have and we worked closely together when President Clinton was Governor of Arkansas. Senator KERRY. As Chief of Staff in the White House, you certainly have your finger on the button of power, so to speak. You have the ability to contact all the regulatory agencies, the Justice Department. You could certainly put together a White House network for dealing with Whitewater/Madison, could you not? Mr. McLARTY. Well, yes, Senator, I could, and in some of those cases, I would go through White House Counsel to make some of those contacts. Senator KERRY. Appropriately, I understand. What is clear from the record here is, for all of the thousands of pages of documents that we have and all of the hundreds of hours of depositions and all of the testimony that has come before us under oath, there is in fact no evidence that the Chief of Staff of the White House organized, put together, or was involved in a slew of conversations to deal with Whitewater/Madison. Is that accurate? Mr. McLARTY. I think it is accurate, and I reflect that in my opening comments, Senator KERRY. In point of fact, the only thing the White House did with respect to Whitewater/Madison in any organizational way 294 was have a press team put together to try to respond to the myriad of inquiries that were coming in. Is that not accurate? Mr. McLARTY. We tried to manage it in an orderly way, primarily with public inquiry and in many cases, non-factual basis allegations. Senator KERRY. I want to make it clear that I think that Mr. Altman's testimony has presented problems, and I have asked many questions about that and will continue to. And I also want to make it clear that I think some people screwed up here and made some bad judgments. But let's also look at the overall record. On September 29th, it is fair to say the only-this is when it begins-Treasury initiated a contact with the White House, correct? Mr. McLARTY. I have since learned that. Senator KERRY. Which you later learned of? Mr. MCLARTY. That is correct. Senator KERRY. You were not notified of that when that occurred, were you? Mr. McLARTY. No. I have already testified I learned of it after Mr. Altman testified before this Committee on February 24th. Senator KERRY. In fact, a great period of time went by before you even knew of any criminal referrals issue having been relayed to the White House, correct? Mr. McLARTY. I learned of it in November through public press accounts. Senator KERRY. Through the public press, but not through anybody in the White House coming to you in a state of panic, my God, we have got to deal with this, correct? Mr. McLARTY. That is correct, Senator. Senator KERRY. And indeed, on September 29th, there was a Treasury initiated contact at the now famous stay-back post-Waco pre-brief? [Laughter-] Correct? A whole new version. Mr. McLARTY. That is your description, Senator. Senator KERRY. Believe me, it is not my description. That was the description in the record, and it is evidence of why the American people find it so hard to understand what is going on here with graceful ducks and pre-brief post-Waco debriefs and so forth. It leaves me, we do not discuss things here, we vet them. We have a whole new language around here. Let me go on. On October 16th, there is another Treasury-initiated press Meeting in the off-ice at which Ms. Hanson comes in, but Jack DeVore, a press secretary is there, and Mark Geron, press communications is there. Again, you are not present, you are not part of that? Mr. McLARTY. That is correct. Senator KERRY. Did not know about it? Mr. McLARTY. That is correct, not until some time later. Senator KERRY. All right. Now on February 2nd, we go from September, October. Now November passes, nothing, December passes, nothing, January passes, nothing. Nothing on the record. 295 We get to February 2nd and Altman, again, a Treasury-initiated meeting on the question of the statute of limitations because there is an enormous amount of press interest on this. Is that correct? Mr. McLARTY. By that time, there certainly was, Senator. Senator Kerry, On February 3rd, there is a second meeting which raises questions about Mr. Altman's testimony, but again initiated by Treasury?
Air Disaster: 118 Die In Crash Of Canadian Jet
Four minutes after taking off from Montreal in a driving rainstorm, a Canadian four-engine jet plunges to earth and burns. All 118 person aboard the plane die in Canada's worst air disaster in history. Montreal, Canada Camera pans over wreckage of plane strewn around in a Canadian river, a light snow covers the parts of the mangled plane parts. MS - Camera pans over the wreckage that is unrecognizable plus there seems to be clothing hanging from some of the trees. MS - Rescue workers and workmen working together in the rescue or just gathering up parts of the plane and the victims.