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August 1, 1994 - Part 5
(17:25:33) Senator DODD. As a detailee, in effect? Ms. HANSON, Not as a detailee. The term "detailee" has specific meanings. I continued to, at all times, fulfill my Treasury functions and, in addition, took on, from time to time as he asked me, RTC related functions. Senator DODD. Was there ever a conversation between you and Mr. Altman that established this relationship with regard to the RTC? Did he ever say to you, by the way, because I've been saddled with this responsibility until we get a permanent CEO, I'm asking you to perform this function as well? Ms. HANSON. I don't recall that there was a specific conversation. I don't think it was necessary. You have to keep in mind also that Secretary Bentsen is the Chairman of the oversight board---- Senator DODD. I understand that. Ms. HANSON. -and Treasury has, historically, always been involved, to one extent or another, in RTC matters. Senator DODD. I appreciate that and I'm not questioning that, I just seemed to be making that linkage because it seems-again we all discussed earlier today the benefit of maybe going back and revisiting this-the law requires Senate confirmed personnel to assume the responsibilities when a vacancy occurs. I think that's a legitimate question for the Senate to consider. Let me ask a series of questions. You've been a sworn witness here and these are very important questions. They go, as far as I'm concerned-this Senator is concerned-to the heart of the matter, and that has to do with whether or not any, actions were taken which in any way have thrown these cases off track. I'd like to address a series of questions to you regarding your actions that might have contributed, in any way, to sharing information that caused these cases to be treated differently than they have been. Ms. Hanson, when you learned about the criminal referrals in September 1993, did you take any action, or did you direct anyone under your authority to take any action, to obstruct to impede the handling of, or forwarding of these referrals to the Department of Justice? Ms. HANSON. Absolutely not. Senator DODD. Did you ever actually read the criminal referrals? Ms. HANSON. No, sir. Senator DODD. Did any officials at the White House ask you to take any action, or instruct you to have anyone else take any action, an action, to obstruct or impede the RTC's handling of these criminal referrals? Ms. HANsON. No, sir. Senator DODD. To our knowledge, did anyone at the Treasury, the RTC, the White House, or any other agency take any action to impede, or in any way interfere with, the criminal referrals? 110 Ms. HANSON. Not to my knowledge. Senator DODD. Did you, or anyone else that you're aware of ob- struct, or otherwise interfere with, the RTC's civil case involving Madison? Ms. HANSON. Absolutely not. Senator DODD. Mr. Chairman, those, to me, are the important questions. I know it's been raised by others that someone may have done something with the information, but trying to prove a no tive gets very, very, very difficult. So, at that point, Mr. Chairman, I'll be glad to yield my time. The CHAMMAN. Thank you, Senator Dodd. Senator Gramm. Senator DAMATO. Mr. Chairman, if I might, I'd like to- yield to Senator Mack, so he can continue along his line of questioning. The CHAiRmAN. Senator Mack. Senator MACK, I thank my friend, and thank you, Mr. Chairman, ' I want to pick up on the confidentiality issue for a moment. I understand that you 've had lots of conversations and you're not going to remember everything, but in both his testimony this morning and in his earlier deposition, Mr. Roelle went on at some length about the discussion about confidentiality, saying, in essence, it really should be only for the CEO, Mr. Altman's ears, nobody else. Does an of this ring a bell? Ms. HANSON. No, sir. Senator MACK. I understand that, then, after you were tasked by by Mr. Altman ' you had a meeting with Mr. Nussbaum and Cliff Sloan on September 29, 1993, and discussed the fact that the criminal referrals were on their way to the Department of Justice. Is that correct? Ms. HANsON. I had a conversation with Mr. Nussbaum and Mr. Sloan about the press leaks. Senator MACK. Let's talk about that. You just said you knew there were going to be press leaks, but there was no discussion about what was going to be leaked? Ms. HANSON, We had a discussion. I don't remember the specifies of the discussion, sir, but we had a discussion that criminal referrals, in which the President and Mrs. Clinton were named as possible witnesses, were going to-information relating to the criminal referrals would be leaked to the press.
August 1, 1994 - Part 5
(17:30:47) Senator MACK. As I understand it, even the Justice Department didn't have knowledge of those referrals at that point. Is that right? Ms. HANSON. The Justice Department wasn't going to have to deal with the press inquiries.Senator MACK. That was not my question. My question only concerns timing. On September 29, 1993, the Justice Department did not have the referrals. Correct? Ms. HANSON. Sir, I don't believe so, but I don't know. Senator MACK. Is it your testimony that Mr. Altman knew of, and approved of, your conversation with Mr. Nussbaum on September 29, 1993? Ms. HANSON. Yes, it is. Senator MACK. At that point in time, September 29, 1993, were you aware of any publicity regarding the new criminal referrals? Ms. HANSON. Was I aware of any publicity? I don't know what that means. Articles? I was unaware of any articles. Senator MACK. You didn't have any direct knowledge, at that time, that there was a leak? Ms. HANSON. I had spoken with Mr. Roelle 2 days before. I knew the referrals were on their way to Washington. I understood that they would leak as soon as they arrived. I thought Mr. Roelle was a very pod source of that knowledge. Knowing that, I inquired as to whether or not his view was that these referrals were going to leak. I had no way of knowing whether or not they bad leaked at the actual time I spoke with Mr. Nussbaum. On the other hand, it was very clear from the Early Bird on September 30, 1993, that they had leaked. From the chronology that was just released yesterday from the IGs, it states that on September 23, 1993, Mr. Dudine, the Director of the Office of Investigations of the RTC, had reported that a reporter was getting close to something on the criminal referrals. That was a full week before I spoke with Mr. Senator MACK. But you bad no actual knowledge? Ms. HANSON. But I had a very good source of Senator MACK That was not my question, Ms. Hanson. My question was, at that time, did you have any personal, actual knowledge? Ms. HANSON. I did not. Senator MACK. Did you have a subsequent conversation with Mr. Sloan of the White House Counsel's Office on September 30, 1993? And what was the substance of that conversation? Ms. HANSON. I have been recently shown Mr. Sloan's notes, in fact, I may have first seen them when I spoke with the Committee staff. I don't have an independent recollection of that telephone conversation-of that conversation. I've seen the notes, but I don't have a recollection of that conversation. Senator MACK. We have seen testimony that there was a phone conversation. MS. HANSON. That's my understanding of the testimony. Senator MACK. The phone conversation was between you and Mr. Sloan on September 30, 1993, and it must have been a fairly detailed conversation, because Mr. Sloan's notes indicate that nine criminal referrals in the investigation bad been forwarded to Washington. Ms. HANSON, I'm not saying, sir, that it didn't happen; I'm just ,a . saying I don't remember it. Senator MACK. But you didn't remember. Mr. Sloan, now, has testified he had received this information in a phone conversation with you on September 30, 1993, and he has gone so far as to have extensive notes on that, and notes outlining the nine referrals. Ms. HANSON. Sir, I'm not disputing Mr. Sloan's recollection. I'm just saying I don't recollect it. Senator MACK. In addition to his notes about the nine criminal referrals, Is, he also said there were allegations concerning Mr. Tuck a former Senator J. William Fulbright of Arkansas, and Mr. McDougal I in connection with the RTC. The RTC bad concerns about diversion of funds to Mr. Clinton's 1984 112 campaign, and the campaign was, being examined as a possible conspirator. Does any of this sound new to you? Ms. HANSON. I don't have a copy of the notes in front of me The CHAIRMAN. Here is a set here, can you take them please. Just pass them over to this gentleman. While you study those Ms. Hanson, were those available to you as a reference in your deposition? Were you shown those then, or just quizzed about them?
Gary Player Takes Open
The US Golf Open goes into overtime as Gary Player battles Kel Nagle in a playoff round. Five strokes ahead on the 8th hole, Player breezes in and announces, he is donating his purse to Cancer Research and for the development of junior golfers. Player is not interested in the money, he only wants the title. Throngs walking down where the golfers are going to tee off going into overtime. Kel Nagle swinging his golf club, golf fans are standing behind him. Sport spectators, men wearing sunglasses and women with sunglasses and hats. Gary Player and Kel Nagle walking to the next hole. Player makes a short putt. The two golfers Player and Nagle shaking hands, golf caddy holding the flag.
American Driver Wins At Le Mans
American-born Masten Gregory, of Kansas City - co-pilot in an Italian car, wins the French race with Jochen Rindt of Austria. The 24-hour drive grind covers just a bit under 3,000 miles. Taking the lead 2 1/2 hours from the finish, they have little trouble in beating the 11-American-made cars, only one of which finished. All the race car drivers running across the road to their cars. High Angle Shot 53 race cars take off and it will end 3,000 miles later. American made race cars take the lead careening around the bend. Aerial shot - A huge parking lot with thousands of cars. Coming down the road are the 51 race cars. The cars come speeding around the bend and some race car enthusiast standing very close to the street on a raised platform. Young adults faces with their heads turning as the cars fly by. High Angle Shot - Racing cars with their headlights on. There is a crowd of racing enthusiast off to the right. Still night, as the cars come flying down the road with their head lights on. Only 14 cars out of 53 finish the race. Race car 21, driven by an American is in the lead of the race. An American won the French race driving an Italian car a Ferrari. Masten Gregory of Kansas City, winner and his co-pilot.
UN's 20th Year: World Body Marks Signing Of Charter
Twenty years ago 50 nations met in San Francisco to take part in the birth of a World Organization that promised peace among men. Though the United Nations has fallen short of the ambitious dream of 1945, it has achieved many notable gains. It has not prevented wars, but in the field of agriculture, health, child welfare and technical aid, it has contributed much toward world progress. Here are scenes at the original meeting and at the 20th anniversary observance - both at the San Francisco Opera House. San Francisco, California
Top Jumpers Show How It's Done
At Hamburg, Germany, 15,000 people see 42 of the world's best horses and riders in competition for the Earl of Derby title. Although a German meet, it is named for the English horseman. He would have been proud of some of the form and grace as revealed by the camera. Nelson Pessoa aboard "Gran Geste" covers the 17 jumps in 161 seconds without a single fault. European premier for spectators draws 15 thousand spectators at Hamburg. A rider and his horse jumps over a fence with a nice clean jump. POV from ground looking up - Jumpers taking on the fences nice and clean. Older man looking through binoculars. Rider from France takes on second place with her nice clean jumps. (Slow motion) Lady holding a 8mm camera to her eye taking pictures. A rider and his twelve year old stallion taking nice clean jumps. Horse jumping enthusiast applauding. Nelson Pessoa and his horse getting awarded a wreath of roses around the horses neck.
Taxis Stop Rolling: NY And Chicago Hit By Strike
Taxicab strikes have emptied the streets of both New York and Chicago as the drivers seek union recognition. In the Chicago strike, the two major cab companies are idle while independents continue to operate. In New York, it's about the same story....the fleet cabs remain in garages while only owner-operated taxis are on the street. Chicago, Illinois High angle shot of a packed parking area just outside the downtown area of Chicago. Behind barbed wire locked fence are taxi cabs just sitting still. A man walking down the side walk, building with a sign painted on it: Chicago Engine & Parts Exchange. H & N Auto Parts Incl. Yellow Cab employee on strike with a sign on his chest, "Employees Of Yellow Cab Co. On Strike. Union Contract Better Wages. Local 777." MS signs "Taxicabs Only - Loading and Unloading." "Private Cars Only - Loading and Unloading." Elderly woman walking down the sidewalks of Chicago with her luggage and shopping bag in her hands. More pedestrians walking down the street with their luggage in their hands. New York, NY New York City's Time Square, streets have traffic but there are no cabs. Yellow cab employees picketing. Taxi driver on strike with a poster around his neck, "We Demand Union Recognition - Now TDOC" Man and woman standing on a street corner with their luggage, and there are no cabs in sight. More bewildered people on the street with their luggage looking for cabs. Outside the train station, out of town people looking completely lost. Queen Elizabeth passenger ocean liner docked and the disembarked passengers have to walk 5 blocks to the subway station with their baggage in hand.
Royal Engagement: Dutch Princess To Wed German
There were murmurings in The Netherlands when the engagement of Princess Beatrix to a former member of Hitler's Wehrmacht was announced. As usual, though, love conquers all. The Princess is to marry a minor German diplomat, Claus Von Amsberg who will become Prince Nicolass and be the next royal consort of the House of Orange-Nassau. The royal family gives a press conference to announce the engagement. Crown Princess Beatrix and Claus Von Amsberg. Queen Juliana. Claus Von Amsberg. Princess Beatrix. Claus Von Amsberg and Princess Beatrix. CUS - Princess Beatrix telling the story on how they met. MS - Princess Beatrix, her parents and her fiancee, she proudly holds up her hand showing off her engagement ring, adding "they're all diamonds, all diamonds".
Nun's New Look: Religious Dress Is Modernized
In line with the modernizing of the Roman Catholic Church, the dress of Nuns is being revised. New habits are shorter and more adapted to this modern age. One Nun, for example, finds the new dress much more suitable to her trips aboard a scooter. In a filled auditorium there sits an audience of school age children and Nuns. A Nun dressed in a white habit, this Nun and other Nuns are of the Franciscan Order. Franciscan Nun camera pans down and shows she is wearing sandals with no stockings. Two Nuns of different orders standing side by side. A Nun walks out wearing a revised version of the new habit the Nuns will wear. A Nun who is a Medical Doctor wearing a white dress but has the veil on only its modernized. Nun comes around the corner driving a motor scooter.
Bing Hits Bingo In Irish Sweepstakes Derby
The "Old Crooner" almost steals the show at Curragh, Ireland, during the running of the Irish Derby. The night before the race, Bing Crosby bought a share in Meadow Court and the next day the three-year-old wins the Derby handily!! More "Pennies from Heaven" for Crosby. Horses being walked by their jockeys on the race track. CUS - Horse and jockey. Packed stands behind the jockey with horse racing fans. High Angle Shot - Horse Ranking Fans. Horses starting off from the gate. Meadow Court stays in with the pack of horses. Man looking through binoculars. High Angle Shot - Horses speeding down the track. High Angle Shot - Meadow Court is on the rail with a duel with Conover and their heading for the wire. CUS - Bing Crosby, pipe in his mouth and he has a huge smile on his face standing next to him is his wife.
August 1, 1994 - Part 5
(17:35:53) Ms. HANSON. I was shown the notes in connection with my testi- mony on these matters, although I do not recall seeing them in Senate deposition, but they're not really legible, sir. The CHAIRMAN. You have to study them. It took me a while, too. As you read them and figure out how that person's handwriting looks, they appear to read, essentially, as Senator Mack has state as far as the names mentioned and so forth. You can see, particu- larly on the second half of the last page, I think it gets a little clearer. Senator MACK. I know those notes are very difficult to make heads or tails of. Senator DAMATO. How about going through them? Senator MACK. I've already read them. The additional points are that President and Mrs. Clinton have been mentioned in other charges as potential witnesses,,the RTC investigation of Madison originated in Kansas City, and the White House had obtained the unlisted telephone numbers of the RTC investigators. Ms. HANsON. I don't believe that's correct. That's-actually, that's not correct to my recollection. It was my understanding, at one point in here, that a reporter had been given the names of all of the investigators who had worked on the criminal referrals and bad contacted the Kansas City office to obtain their telephone numbers, because the numbers were unlisted. Senator MACK. Do you agree with the rest of it, then? Ms. HANSON. Some of this information I don't recall, but it does note here that-there is a reporter mentioned. Senator MACK. I just want to finish one point. The CHAIRMAN. Might I make this suggestion: I want you to do exactly that. We've had a vote start. Maybe, because you haven't had a chance to see this, in the time that we're gone to vote, you can, with the help of staff, figure out what it says and see if it sounds like a logic flow you would have given at that time. You will have that time as we're going to vote. Why don't you finish, Senator Mack. Senator MACK. I'll just make this last point. There was a memo that you addressed to Mr. Altman on September 30 ' 1993, where you had spoken with the Secretary and also with Bernie Nussbaum and Cliff Sloan. You said, "I've asked Bill Roelle to keep me informed," in reading from your memorandum to Mr. Altman. You went on to say, "Is there anything else that you think we should be doing?" In this memo, were you effectively reporting back to Mr. Altman that you did what he told you to do on September 27, 19930 in essence carrying out the task that he bad given you? Ms. HANSON. As I testified, I don't have an independent recollection of preparing that memorandum, but it is this type of-but 113 there is no question in my mind that I did, and it's the type of memorandum that I would write to Senator MACK. That's the memo over there and it does have your initials on it, doesn't it? Ms. HANSON. I'm sorry, I can't see it. Senator GRAMM. Let's just pick it up and bring it over to her. Senator BOXER. Why don't you give her this normal-sized piece of paper? Ms. HANsON. As I testified, this is the type of memorandum I would write to follow up on a task I had done. It was also attached to the RTC Early Bird that made reference to the fact that internal RTC sources ha spoken with the press about multiple criminal referrals. Senator MACK. Do you remember the date of the Early Bird? Ms. HANSON. I believe it was dated the same date. Senator MACK. What date was that? Ms. HANSON. September 30, 1993. Senator MACK. Was that after the meeting at the White House had taken place? Ms. HANSON. That's correct, although, as I indicated, the IG chronology that was released yesterday indicates that reporters were making inquiries as early as September 23, 1993. Senator MACK. Again, my point is that you say you had no knowledge of that? Ms. HANSON. I had a very good idea that I was going to be right, I don't know exactly when it was that the first reporter had this information, but I knew that it was imminent. It could very well have happened by the time that I spoke with Mr. Nussbaum. Senator MACK. But, again, you had. no actual knowledge of that? Ms. HANSON. Correct. The CHAIRMAN. I think what we should now do-the second bells have rung on this vote on the floor, so we have just a few minutes left to go to vote. Why don't we give you an opportunity to review, if you need to, that memo. Perhaps the staff can help you make out the handwriting and, if there are further questions, we can deal with that when we resume. The Committee will stand in recess for about 10 minutes while we go to vote and then we'll resume. (17:41:13) [Recess.] (17:41:18) Commentary of KEN BODE and NINA TOTENBERG
August 1, 1994 - Part 5
(17:57:20) Hearing resumes The CHAIRMAN. The Committee will come back to order. Let me again invite those in the room to find seats so that we can begin, Let me now recognize Senator Shelby. Senator SHELBY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Hanson, before you came to Washington last year as General Counsel what kind of law practice were you involved in? HANSON. Corporate. Senator SHELBY. Was that office practice, or was that white-collar criminal defense or prosecution or both? Ms Hanson. It was corporate finance and securities. Senator SHELBY. Did you do trial work? MS. HANSON. No, I did not. Senator SHELBY. OK you didn't. You do realize, I know, as an accomplished lawyer, that information is very important to any- 114 thing, to lawyers, to business decisions, or anything. Basic information is an important commodity, is it not? Ms. HANsON. Yes. Senator'SHELBY. OK. Information that's timely is more important. Ms. HANSON. That's right. Senator SHELBY. OK. would you think the White House- would be interested in ' or did you think the White House would In interested in, this information that you were-that bad been given to you, that you talked to Mr. Altman about? Why did you think, when Mr. Altman told you to brief Mr. Nussbaum or call him, or whatever happened, he wanted that done? Did it occur to you why he wanted that done? Ms. HANSON. I knew exactly why he wanted it done. Senator SHELBY. Why, what was that? Ms. HANSON. Because, with press leaks imminent, there were going to be press inquiries that the White House, by definition, would receive. The White House needed to be prepared to respond intelligently to the press inquiries as they came in. Senator SHELBY. Could there have been other motivations, other than press leaks, for which the White House would want this infor- mation, or for which Altman would think they would need this information? Ms. HANSON. The only reason that I communicated with the White House was to put them in the position to be able to respond to press inquieries. Senator SHELBY. Did Mr. Altman use the word "Press leaks" to you? Ms. HANSON. It was my understanding in the Senator SHELBY. No, did he use that word, that phrase? Ms. HANSON. As I've stated, I don't recall the specifies of the conversation but that was the purpose of my task. Senator SHELBY, Did you make some notes about this for your records? Ms. HANSON. No. Senator SHELBY. Did you make some notes about this conversation? Ms. HANSON. With Mr. Altman? Senator SHELBY. Yes. Ms. HANSON. Not to my recollection. Senator SHELBY There is nothing you recollect from your notes about that conversation? Ms. HANSON. No, sir. (18:00:13) Senator SHELBY. I want to ask you this. Did you ever, ever think it was improper, as General Counsel, to brief the White House on something from the RTC that was basically confidential, something of this importance, dealing with a Justice Department-a referral to the Justice Department involving criminal behavior, possible criminal behavior? Ms. HANSON. Sir, I knew Senator SHELBY. I'm not talking about now, but before. (18:00:53)(Tape #10060 ends)
August 1, 1994 - Part 6
(18:15:35) Ms. HANSON. Did I ever get the information Senator D'AMATO. When Mr. Roelle called you and made reference to the nine criminal referrals, did he give you that information? Is that the information he gave you? Ms. HANSON. The information about the checks or the information about the Senator D'AMATo. About the nine referrals and did he give Ms. HANsoN. I don't recall hearing anything about checks from Mr. Roelle at all. Senator D'AMATO. But you do remember the nine criminal referrals? , Ms. HANsON. That's right. Senator MACK. The implication is that Mr. Lindsey learned about these checks from you. Ms. HANsON. I did not have that information. Sir, I understoodactually, I understood that the information about the checks came from Mr. Gerth, that it was the Senator MACK. I don't think he had that information, in fact the RTC believes that the funds'for the cashier's checks came from a loan. I don't think Mr. Gerth had that information at that time. Ms. HANSON. Certainly, Mr. Gerth, according to this, bad the information about the checks because Mr. Gerth wanted Mr. DeVore to find out who bad endorsed them. As I say, I have no recollection of ever having heard anything about checks from Mr. Roelle. Senator MACK. I don't have any further questions. senator DAMATO. Senator Bennett. Senator BENNETT. Thank you. I intend to yield to Senator Roth, who wants to pursue the chronology, but I can't resist making a comment, somewhat in the spir- 120 it of the Chairman's comment, about lessons to be learned you, out this for the future. This is all done in the name of dealing with press inqueries. not a lawyer, so I don't understand all that's going on around here but I have earned my living advising people about press inqueries. I first came to Washington as Press Secretary to a Congress The press response the White House gave was the right on ' one, comment." It did not require a briefing in the White House or briefing in Mr. McLarty's office or anyplace else to prepare them for that stunning riposte to a press inquiry. "No comment." The best response, I realize, is terribly difficult to discipline yourself to give, but the best response would have been, since we have re- ? no communication of any kind from the RTC about this mat-: ter and since it would be inappropriate if we had, we are not in a position to comment. That gives the White House the high moral ground and they should hang on to it. I think they made a serious mistake in having you come over and give them their briefing. With that comment, Mr. Chairman, IT yield whatever time I have left to Senator Roth. The CHAIRMAN. Time has expired on this side at this point. Senator Sasser. Senator SASSER. I thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Hanson., I want to return to the reason that Mr. Roelle called you in the first place. When he called to alert you to the fact that there would be nine criminal referrals coming from the Kansas City office of the Resolution Trust Corporation to Washington, as I understand it, he called to alert you to that fact because he felt that as soon as these criminal referrals got to Washington, they would be leaked to the press. Is that an accurate statement? Ms. HANSON. Yes. Yes, sir. Senator SASSER. I find that really fascinating. Did he tell you why he thought they would be leaked or who would gain an advantage by leaking that information to the press and why they would do it? Did he mention that? Ms. HANSON. No, but it was common knowledge, at that point, that the RTC-information regularly leaked from the RTC. Senator SASSER. This was information that was supposed to be privileged and confidential in order to protect what might very well be innocent citizens who were alluded to in a criminal referral. Isn't that an accurate statement? Ms. HANSON. Yes, yes, and in order not to compromise the inves- tigation.