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August 2, 1994 - Part 6
(00:55:26) The CHAIRMAN. Senator Sarbanes, could I interrupt based on time to try to extend your time, Senator D'Amato has made a suggestion and I advise all Committee Members we've been going with 7-minute segments. Senator D'Amato has recommended to me that as of now we shift to 10-minute periods so we don't have as many break-ups in the question and therefore, if that's agreeable, we'll do that now and extend Senator Sarbanes by the 3 additional minutes and then from this point on, we'll go in 10-minute segments. Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. Mr. Chairman, I agree with that and I wonder then if you'll be sharp with the gavel? The CHAIRMAN. I've been trying to be without being rude to people, so we'll go in that fashion, and Senator Sarbanes is to be recognized for 3 additional minutes. We'll now have 10-minute questioning periods from this point on, Senator SARBANES. You think it would have been proper or appropriate for the Public Affairs Officer of the RTC to bring to the 429 White House's attention for the first time that these criminal referrals have been made to the Justice Department? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, that's not my understanding of what happened. Again, I wasn't there. My understanding of what happened, and I understand this has been confirmed in the depositions, for instance$ which the Office of Government Ethics took, the purpose of the communication was to alert the White House of an impending press leak. We also know Senator SARBANES. But in the course of alerting them, you can't divorce, even if I accept that the purpose was alerting them of the press leak, the fact that that alert brought to their attention the criminal referrals? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, we have the report of the Office of Government Ethics, as you know. Very thorough report, it's an independent agency, It's not part of the Clinton Administration and it coneluded that those contacts were appropriate. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Altman, it's possible not to do something illegal, not to do something unethical, and yet to do something that reflects very bad judgment, is it not? Mr. ALTMAN. Yes, it is Senator and a numb er of people have said, Mr. Cutler, Secretary Bentsen, that in hindsight it would have been better had those contacts not occurred. Senator SARBANES. On what basis was Ms. Hanson involved in these RTC matters in any event? I mean you were wearing, two hats, you were Deputy Secretary of the Treasury and the CEO of the RTC. Now on what basis was she brought into these matters? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, I was relying on a number of Treasury staff as my predecessor 7 Mr. Robson, did to help me with RTC matters. I was able to give very little time to the RTC. Two senior staff meetings a week lasted about 11/2 hours each, and I needed help. I asked a number of Treasury staff, Frank Newman, Under Secrets for Domestic Finance, Mike Levy, Assistant Secretary for Legislative Affairs, and others including Jean Hanson to help me out. Senator SARBANES. Ms. Hanson says she would not have gone on her own to Nussbaum to tell him about these criminal referrals, that that is something she would not have done of her own volition, and she did it, therefore, at your behest. What's your response to that? Mr. ALTMAN. I don't recollect that, Senator, I don't think I would have tasked Ms. Hanson to do that. Senator SARBANES. Let's strike the word "ta-sked." Maybe that's-I mean I'm listening very carefully to your answer. Mr. ALTMAN. That's her word. Senator SARBANES. I understand that. Let's try some other words. Did you do anything or make any indication to Ms. Hanson that she should bring this information to the attention of the White House? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, I don't believe that I did. I can't say, of course what she may have inferred. I don't believe that I did. Senator SARBANES. What did you do on the basis of which she might have inferred, I think that 's the word you just used, that she might have inferred that she should go to Nussbaum with this information? 430 Mr. ALTMAN. I don't believe I did anything, Senator. All I'm saying is that she could have perhaps misunderstood, Senator SARBANES. What would she have misunderstood? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, my response is that I don't recall tasking her to do it, I think I would have remembered if I had done it. have a lot of respect for Jean Hanson, we're friends and we're colleagues and I hope we're going to remain so. I'm simply saying that she may have misunderstood. Senator SARBANES. Well, I'm trying to
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August 2, 1994 - Part 6
(01:00:40) Mr. ALTMAN. For example, Senator, I saw a transcript of a depo. sition she gave. And if I have it right, she was asked whether I instructed her to go to the White House She said, I can't recall. It was my sense that he may have wanted me to, Then she was asked a second time, did he or did he not instruct you to go to the White House and as I recall the deposition, doing my best to recall it, she said I can't recall, it was my impression. So she hasn't said, at least' in those responses, be asked me to go. She's saying I can't recall. The CHAIRMAN. We've got to stop there in the interest of time. I know you are right in the middle of this and I think it's very important and I trust that there will be an opportunity to finish that line of questioning to your satisfaction, Senator Sarbanes. Let me now call on Senator Gramm. Senator GRAMM. Could I ask a very quick question? How did you see her deposition? Mr. ALTMAN. I believe-and I may want to double-check this, Senator-but I believe we were permitted to Senator GRAMM. Ours are confidential. Mr. ALTMAN. I didn't see yours. Senator GRAMM. How did you see hers? Mr. ALTMAN. I have seen the Inspector General's depositions which have been made public now. I believe I'm correct on that. I want to reserve that that's the best of my belief. Senator GRAMM. I may come back to that. But I want to go back and try to nail down this whole question of the veracity of your statement before this Committee, because I think when you get down to the bottom line, that's the major reason you're here. It's going to take me a minute, but I want to go through it because what is happening in going back and forth, part of our 5-minute rule, unless we look at all this together we lose continuity, so I want to read you several questions, your answers, and then refer to the facts as we now know them. On February 24, as we all know, you were asked before this Committee by me: Have you or any member of your staff had any communication with the President, the First Lady, or any of their representatives, including their legal counsel, or any member of their White House staff, concerning Whitewater or the Madison Savings & Loan? I then asked, as a follow-up to that: I would like to know what the substance of the communication was, when it occurred, who initiated it, and what you were asked to do. You said two things in response to that. You said, "I have had one substantive contact." Now I think, in his diary, your Chief of Staff was referring to that when he talks about your graceful duck of the question. You 431 said, "I've had one substantive contact, " and that the sole purpose of that contact was to talk about the statute of limitations. It was the whole conversation, you said. It was the sole purpose. Then Senator Domenici asked you a question, and you go back to what Mr. Steiner calls in his diary, I think, this "graceful duck." You say, "one substantive or meaningful contact, and then Senator Domenici says, "well, I assume we're not arguing there that you had-you are not suggesting that you bad more than one, are you?" Obviously, more than one "contact." You then , Mr. Altman, say, no." You say, "No. I am just saying that if you run into someone in the hall, if you see that thing in the paper this morning, I'm not including that." Now that's what you said. And Mr. Domenici's question broke through this graceful duck. You said, "No. I've bad on] one contact." We now know-and, in fact, the question was about your staff and you. We now know that there were over 40 contacts that we have verified. We now know that you made four of those contacts personally. We now know that the sole subject matter was not the issue of statute of limitations. In fact we know, and I have reason to believe as I'll raise in another question, that the real objective of the meeting was the whole recusal issue. But we know it was at the very least a
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August 2, 1994 - Part 6
(01:05:55) Here is my question: You were asked point blank-first of all, you were asked a question which you didn't answer. You chanted the question. The graceful dodge. You were asked in detail what at happened. Then, when it became Senator Domenici's turn, he posed the question point blank, "you are not saying that there has been more than one contact," and you say "no." We now know there were 40 contacts. We now know 4, at least 4 of them, you were engaged in yourself, and we know that other subject matter was discussed. Now how do you reconcile that? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, as I said in my statement, I had one substantive contact on the case, and I used the term "substantive" as to relate to the RTC investigation of Madison, and that I believe was true then and that I believe is true today. Senator GRAMM. It wasn't the question then and it isn't the question now. The question then and the question now was contacts, and, in fact, Senator Domenici noted that you keep saying, "substantive." "You're not saying you had more than one contact are you, Mr. Altman," and you say, "no." Mr. ALTMAN. Senator , my response to Senator Domenici, I believe, clearly indicates that there may have been other contacts, clearly indicates that. Senator GRAMM. How does it indicate it, you say, "no"? Mr. ALTMAN. Because I say I'm not counting these other contacts. Senator GRAMM. And these other contacts were passing somebody in the hall. Let me ask you a question. February 2 was the one contact you disclosed to us. The day after this one contact you had, -this one substantive contact you bad was February 3. You go to the White House. Ms. Hanson is out having lunch with somebody, and you beep her and tell her to hurry down to the White House. She gets up, leaves her dessert, and scurries down to the White House. She gets there, you're done, but Mr. Ickes is there. 432 and he says to Ms. Hanson, how many people have you told about Altman thinking about recusing himself, and he in essence-and then he says to her it's a good thing-let me be sure I have the language right. Ickes says to Hanson, how many people know that she recommended you recuse yourself and refers to the fact that it's good there were only a few of them. Now you were at that meeting. You pull her out of her lunch to come there. They say to her it's a good thing that she's told only a few people that you're thinking about recusing yourself. This happened the next day and you say this is not substantive? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, when I used the word "substantive" I meant in relation to the RTC investigation of Madison. So you may disagree Senator GRAMM. Let me just stop you right there. Is not the recusal related to the fact that you are a friend of the President of the United States and that these referrals refer to him, isn't that what the recusal is all about? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, recusal bad nothing to do whatsoever with the RTC investigation of Madison. Whether I recused myself or I did not recuse myself would have no bearing on that. Senator GRAMM. Why would you recuse yourself if it weren't for conflict of interest? Why else would you do it? Is it not that the whole discussion about recusal came originally from the Congress back in January, wasn't that whole discussion about the fact that you are an FOB, Friend of Bill? As we get further into this I'm going to go back and discuss what the were saying at the White Ouse about who were they going to be left with if you recused yourself, that this is a tough prosecutor. Was that not a substantive meeting? Not that it matters, because you made up your own question. But the point is, not only didn't you answer my question, not only didn't you tell the truth, you didn't tell the truth on the question you made up, because the February 3 meeting was a substantive meeting, was it not, Mr. Altman? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, I told the truth. I testified truthfully before this Committee. Members of this Committee, some of them at least, have known me for quite a few years. I might have made mistakes and I may have done things wrong, but I've never come before the Congress and not done my very best to answer forthrightly and honestly and I did that that day.
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