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HURRICANE'S FURY AND GIANT SEAS SWEEP ENGLISH COAST Scores Die As Gales Lash Channel Ships
Clip: 338665_1_1
Year Shot: 1929 (Actual Year)
Audio: No
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1500
Original Film: 001-099-09
HD: N/A
Location: England
Timecode: 00:28:51 - 00:29:20

High contrast, grainy, blurry, undulating images Scores Die As Gales Lash Channel Ships. Hurricane's fury and giant seas sweep English coast. Victims of the storm's rage. Ships lashed on rocks and huge waves.

Feline 'Aristo-cats' Meow
Clip: 338666_1_1
Year Shot: 1929 (Actual Year)
Audio: No
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1500
Original Film: 001-099-10
HD: N/A
Location: NEW YORK CITY
Timecode: 00:29:22 - 00:30:16

High contrast, rolling images Champions in all classes purr at judges in annual national show. 1. 'I'm no dude,' says this kitty, 'but I can high hat all of them'.

August 4, 1994 - Part 7
Clip: 460736_1_1
Year Shot: 1994 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: Color
Tape Master: 10092
Original Film: 104556
HD: N/A
Location: Dirksen Senate Office Building
Timecode: -

(16:40:26) Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Well, again, I can't speak for the diary, sir. In my testimony I described Senator SHELBY. Let me read it to you. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS [continuing]. The conversation, as I remember it. Senator SHELBY, I'll share it with you and I'll read an excerpt in a conversation with you, he says, and this is the second page that I have here. He said "it was simply outrageous that the RTC had hired him, but even more amazing, when George"-you---"suggested to me that we needed to find a way to get rid of him," that he persuaded you that firing him would be "incredibly stupid and improper." In other words, he calmed you down. Is that a basic outline of what happened? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Well, the basic outline of what happened is what I said in my testimony, Senator. He gave me the facts, and that was the end of the conversation. Senator SHELBY. My time is up. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Shelby. Senator Gramm. Senator GRAMM. Mr. Chairman, I want to try to cover a lot of ground here, so I'd like to begin with some yes/no answers if I Could. I think these are pretty straightforward questions, so let me Pose them. 1, Roger Altman is portrayed in a diary kept by his confidant and the Chief of Staff of the Treasury Department as a tortured man, who is under intense pressure to stay in the Madison investigation. According to a confidential diary, which no one thought would ever be, made public, at this fateful meeting on February 2nd with Nussbaum, Ickes and Williams, the White House told Roger Altman 372 that it was unacceptable that he step aside. In a pros-and-cons, advantages-and- disadvantages memo considering Mr. Altman's taking himself out as the overseer of this investigation of Madison, given that he was a long personal friend and supporter of the President, the number one disadvantage listed is that the White House may feel defenseless prior to the appointment of a new CEO, who would be a political appointee. In light of this picture of internal agony, we have two sworn statements, that on February 1st Roger Altman goes to Secretary Bentsen's office and says, I'm going over to the White House and tell them that I'm getting out of this whole issue. And so he, having said that, having had three people say under oath that he in essence said it, he goes trooping over to the White House. And he goes into the meeting. fie has a memo that says, I'm going to tell them that I am getting out of the Madison investigation. He comes out of the meeting, and he has changed his mind. He goes back to his office. Then, the next day, he comes back over to the White House. First of all, he asked that people be gotten together to hear that he's going to stay in the investigation. He comes into the office, announces to people that he's staying. He turns around and walks out. Now, Mr. Ickes, you were in that meeting, both of those meetings. Did you ever hear anybody on the White House staff say that Roger Altman should stay in this investigation? Did you hear anybody ever say to him, don't recuse yourself, you shouldn't recuse yourself, it's not in our interest to recuse yourself, you probably ought not to recuse yourself? Mr. ICKES. Which of the questions, Senator Gramm, do you want me to answer? Senator GRAMM. Any one I want to ask you if you ever heard anybody say to Roger Altman in any way, in any language, "stay in this investigation." Mr. ICKES. I don't recall anybody saying that. What I recall, Senator, is what I've testified to innumerable times, that there were questions-that he raised questions, indicated he was thinking about it, that there were people who wondered whether or not it was legally necessary or ethically necessary Senator GRAMM. But nobody said to him Mr. ICKES. The bottom, Senator, it was up to him to make that decision and he did. Senator GRAMM. But you never heard anybody say to him, don't get out of your oversight capacity on this investigation? Mr. ICKES. I do not recall anybody saying that, Senator GRAMM. Now, I know the other three gentlemen weren't at the meeting, but obviously they're involved daily at the White House. They hear these discussions. I'd like to ask each one of them basically a yes or no question. Have you ever heard anybody at the White House suggest that they ever suggested or were aware that anybody else suggested to Roger Altman that he not remove himself in his oversight capacity of the investigation of Whitewater, even though we knew from these referrals that the President and the First Lady's name had been mentioned? 373

Robert Kennedy In Berlin
Clip: 428820_1_1
Year Shot: 1964 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1725
Original Film: 037-052-04
HD: N/A
Location: Berlin, Germany
Timecode: 00:23:28 - 00:24:41

"Just a year to the day after President Kennedy's visit to Berlin his brother, the Attorney General, helps dedicate a plaque to his memory in John F. Kennedy Platz." Panning high angle LS large crowd packed in public space. MS street sign: "John F. Kennedy Platz." MS Attorney General ROBERT F. KENNEDY walking through crowd. MS crowd waving. MS Robert Kennedy and wife ETHEL KENNEDY standing on platform. MS Ethel Kennedy and two unidentified Kennedy children (might be Robert F. Kennedy Jr. & Mary Courtney Kennedy) on platform. MS crowd waving. MS West Berlin Mayor WILLY BRANDT on dais with Robert F. Kennedy. MS unveiling of plaque. CU relief of JFK in profile. Panning LS crowd waving. Side view MSs Robert Kennedy speaking to audience. CU RFK. MCU Robert Kennedy walking through crowd. TLS American flag being held aloft crowd of German seamen. TLS/MSs RFK walking through crowd, waving.

August 4, 1994 - Part 8
Clip: 460739_1_1
Year Shot: 1994 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: Color
Tape Master: 10093
Original Film: 104557
HD: N/A
Location: Dirksen Senate Office Building
Timecode: -

(16:43:41)(tape #10093 begins) and he has changed his mind. He goes back to his office. Then, the next day, he comes back over to the White House. First of all, he asked that people be gotten together to hear that he's going to stay in the investigation. He comes into the office, announces to people that he's staying. He turns around and walks out. Now, Mr. Ickes, you were in that meeting, both of those meetings. Did you ever hear anybody on the White House staff say that Roger Altman should stay in this investigation? Did you hear anybody ever say to him, don't recuse yourself, you shouldn't recuse yourself, it's not in our interest to recuse yourself, you probably ought not to recuse yourself? Mr. ICKES. Which of the questions, Senator Gramm, do you want me to answer? Senator GRAMM. Any one I want to ask you if you ever heard anybody say to Roger Altman in any way, in any language, "stay in this investigation." Mr. ICKES. I don't recall anybody saying that. What I recall, Senator, is what I've testified to innumerable times, that there were questions-that he raised questions, indicated he was thinking about it, that there were people who wondered whether or not it was legally necessary or ethically necessary Senator GRAMM. But nobody said to him Mr. ICKES. The bottom, Senator, it was up to him to make that decision and he did. Senator GRAMM. But you never heard anybody say to him, don't get out of your oversight capacity on this investigation? Mr. ICKES. I do not recall anybody saying that, Senator GRAMM. Now, I know the other three gentlemen weren't at the meeting, but obviously they're involved daily at the White House. They hear these discussions. I'd like to ask each one of them basically a yes or no question. Have you ever heard anybody at the White House suggest that they ever suggested or were aware that anybody else suggested to Roger Altman that he not remove himself in his oversight capacity of the investigation of Whitewater, even though we knew from these referrals that the President and the First Lady's name had been mentioned? 373

August 4, 1994 - Part 8
Clip: 460750_1_1
Year Shot: 1994 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: Color
Tape Master: 10093
Original Film: 104557
HD: N/A
Location: Dirksen Senate Office Building
Timecode: -

(17:51:24) Hearings coverage resumes: Senator ROTH. I would just point out that the Nussbaum memorandum does go on to state, and I quote, "there is generally no justification for any White House involvement in particular adjudicative or rulemaking proceedings," and investigative proceedings are 390 covered as well. Then it points out that, regarding pending criminal and civil matters, the memorandum states "it undermines the administration of justice if the White House even appears to be interfering in such cases." Do you agree with that statement? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I certainly follow the memo and I agree with the memo, sir. I do believe, sir, and maybe I'm mistaken , but I do believe in the memo there are certain defined exceptions for getting information or especially for dealing with press matters, Still it is wise and it is-we are supposed to talk with the Counsel first, but I believe there is some exemption for information and press matters. If I'm mistaken, I stand to be corrected. Senator ROTH. Insofar as I am aware, there are no exceptions for press purposes. The memorandum, as a matter of fact, is quite sweeping in its language, and says specifically that in cases involving investigative, adjudicative or regulatory matters that the Office of White House Counsel should be or must be contacted. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I agree with that, sir, and it certainly was an oversight on my part not to contact the Counsel's Office. Senator ROTH. Was any effort made with this memorandum, to make sure that all White House personnel were familiar with the memorandum and its requirements? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. It had been circulated. Senator ROTH. It had been circulated. Was any effort given to actually educate people as to what the memorandum required? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I believe at the time it probably was, sir. As I said, this was a year later. There's no excuse, I grant you. It was an oversight on my part not to contact the Counsel and that was a mistake. Senator ROTH. Mr. Ickes, do you recall that you and Mr. Stephanopoulos had this phone conversation with Mr. Altman? Mr. ICKES. Yes. Senator ROTH. And are or were you familiar with Mr. Nussbaum's memorandum prohibiting such contact? Mr. ICKES. I'm generally familiar, yes. Senator ROTH. What do you mean by "generally"? Mr. ICKES. Well, I couldn't give you word by word, Senator, but I have read the memorandum, and I'm familiar with the thrust of the memorandum. Senator ROTH. Did you seek approval from the White House Counsel? Mr. ICKES. No, I did not. I associate myself with Mr. Stephanopoulos' remarks in that regard but I would also point out that the purpose of that, of the phone call that we made was to ver- ify whether or not Mr, Altman had in fact recused himself. We were taking press calls on that, and felt that we really needed to know so we could respond accurately and quickly to the press, but again I associate myself with Mr. Stephanopoulos' remarks. We should have contacted the Counsel's Office. I Mr. Senator ROTH. One of the conversations at least, Stephanopoulos, was to determine how Mr. Stephens was hired and that was, I believe, not public information at that time. 391 Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I'm not certain that's true, sir. It certainly is information that would be provided to the public. I assume it was done by an open and independent board. Senator ROTH. Let me ask you, Mr. Ickes, do you agree that that telephone conversation was in conflict with the requirements of the ethics memorandum?

Death Of A Star: Marilyn Monroe
Clip: 428606_1_1
Year Shot: 1962 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1700
Original Film: 035-064-01
HD: N/A
Location: United States
Timecode: 00:44:24 - 00:45:58

Death Of A Star: Marilyn Monroe One of the most famous stars in Hollywood history dies at 36. Marilyn Monroe was found dead in bed --- under circumstances that were in tragic contrast to her glamorous career as a comic talent. CU Marilyn looking into camera smiling. She kisses her gloved hand, and blows a kiss to the camera. Various scenes of Marilyn, including her with Joe DiMaggio and then Arthur Miller, meeting Queen Elizabeth. Korea, Marilyn gets out of jeep wearing army uniform, surrounded by soldiers. Marilyn walking on stage wearing revealing dress. US Soldiers watching Monroe performing on stage, one makes face at camera, he lifts his hat and bulges his eyes. Marilyn Monroe and Joe DiMaggio, sit next to each other, kiss. Marilyn and Arthur Miller walking down stairs. Premiere - fans hold Marilyn s photos. Marilyn and Arthur Miller at movie premiere. Marilyn wearing glamorous silver evening gown, earrings and white fur. Famous shot of Marilyn Monroe in a bathrobe waving out the window.

Eisenhower Welcomed In Germany
Clip: 428607_1_1
Year Shot: 1962 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1700
Original Film: 035-064-02
HD: N/A
Location: Bonn, Germany
Timecode: 00:46:02 - 00:46:45

Eisenhower Welcomed In Germany The man who once commanded the Allies against the Germans receives a warm welcome from Chancellor Adenauer and the people of Bonn. Former President Eisenhower getting out of car. Reporters, photographers. Ike salutes as he passes camera. German flag. Mr. & Mrs. (Mamie) Eisenhower and Mr. & Mrs. Adenauer.

Pennies Keep Art Work In Britain
Clip: 428608_1_1
Year Shot: 1962 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1700
Original Film: 035-064-03
HD: N/A
Location: England, Europe
Timecode: 00:46:45 - 00:47:31

Pennies Keep Art Work In Britain With the farthings and shillings of the little people --- Britain saves a work by Da Vinci that might have gone to a foreign museum. Exterior of Museum. Charcoal drawing on Virgin Mary and child. Collections table. Sign: National Art - Collections Fund - Leonardo Appeal Fund. Large or small donations are welcomed. Collection box, woman places coin in slot. CU drawing.

Sports: "Black Sheep"
Clip: 428609_1_1
Year Shot: 1962 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1700
Original Film: 035-064-04
HD: N/A
Location: Illinois, USA
Timecode: 00:47:34 - 00:48:40

Sports: "Black Sheep" A six to one outsider wins the rich Chicago race as he beats out the favored "Riden" and earns $71,000. Arlington Racetrack. View of crowded stadium. Crowd shots. Horses out of gate, scenes from race. Horse crosses finish line.

Football In August
Clip: 428610_1_1
Year Shot: 1962 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1700
Original Film: 035-064-05
HD: N/A
Location: Chicago, Illinois
Timecode: 00:48:40 - 00:50:30

Football In August Soldiers Field, Chicago. The College All-Stars put up the good fight .. but the Green Bay Packers show the stuff that made them professional champs and down the Collegians - 42 to 20. Players running onto field. Scenes from game. Packer touchdown pass. All-star touchdown pass. Crowd scenes. Scoreboard with All-stars 10 - Packers 14.

New Nation: Jamaica Ends British Rule
Clip: 428611_1_1
Year Shot: 1962 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1701
Original Film: 035-065-01
HD: N/A
Location: Jamaica
Timecode: 00:00:34 - 00:02:01

New Nation: Jamaica Ends British Rule WS courtyard, crowds. Princess Margaret and her husband, the Earl of Snowden, represent Queen Elizabeth as the Caribbean possession gains self-government. Princess Margaret and her husband exit plane, walk down steps. Photographers. Princess Margaret is greeted by the Prime Minister, woman curtsies. Young African man in crowd standing with newspaper on his head, to block sun. Princess riding in car past crowds. Flag of the new nation is raised. Colorful ceremonies mark the transfer of government that will make Jamaica an independent Dominion within the British Commonwealth. Firework display of new flag. Princess Margaret seated, speaking (no sound). Officials seated in audience. Princess Margaret bowing.

August 4, 1994 - Part 8
Clip: 460740_1_1
Year Shot: 1994 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: Color
Tape Master: 10093
Original Film: 104557
HD: N/A
Location: Dirksen Senate Office Building
Timecode: -

(16:45:43) Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Senator, I really wasn't a part of any of those conversations, and as you might imagine, we haven't had a lot of internal discussions about them since then because of all these investigations. Senator GRAMM. You never heard anybody suggest that they had told him. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I have not had discussions of that manner. Mr. PODESTA. No, Senator. Mr. LINDSEY. No, Sir. Senator GRAMM. Well, I'd just like to say in passing, not since the St. Valentine's Day Massacre in Chicago have we seen a situation where something so dramatic happened, and yet, as in the case of that massacre, nobody heard a shot fired, Roger Altman comes over to give you the message that he's stepping aside, that he believes that he ought to step out of an investigation that could, in some way, involve an old friend, the President, and he leaves having changed his mind. And nowhere is there any evidence whatsoever that anybody suggested to him that he change his mind Mr. PODESTA, Senator Mr. ICKES. Senator, that is not my testimony and I don't think that's the testimony I've heard. Roger Altman came in and said that he was considering Ling whether or not to recuse himself. And there was discussion about that. At bottom, everyone at that meeting on February 2nd said it was up to him. There were some people who felt they didn't see any legal or ethical necessity, but it was up to him. The second point I would make, Senator--- Senator GRAMM. I'm going to stop you because Mr. ICKES. The second point I want to make Senator DODD. Let him respond. You've asked him to respond, Senator GRAMM. I asked a yes or no question. Senator DODD. He ought to have a chance to explain the answer. Witnesses should have an opportunity to be heard. Mr. ICKES. Thank you, Senator Dodd. The second point I would make, Senator, it is my recollection that during the course of the meeting on February 2nd, Mr. Altman made it very clear that he was going to follow the recommendations of the Staff of the RTC. Senator GRAMM. And their recommendation was what? Mr. ICKES. I don't know what it was or if there has even been a recommendation. Senator GRAMM. We know from all kinds of sworn statements it was that he step out of the investigation. Mr. ICKES. No Senator GRAMM. And that he didn't. Mr. ICKES. You and I are talking about different recommendations. The recommendation with respect to the handling of the civil suit or the possible civil suit. Senator GRAMM. Well, one of the problems (16:48:07)(tape #10092 ends) we have, Mr. Chairman, is trying to cover a lot of territory, and I don't like to cut anybody off, but we're trying to get to some information. Mr. Lindsey Mr. LINDSEY. Yes, Sir, Senator GRAMM continuing]. We have several sworn statements that Mr. Altman notified the White House about the mentioning of 374 the President in at least one of these 9 criminal referrals. We know a call was made on September 29th with that notification. We know that later, you came into the possession of that information, Did you believe then or do you believe now that it was proper for you to have that information? Mr. LINDSEY. Yes, sir, I believe it was proper to have that information. Senator GRAMM. As I look at your testimony, it appears you never told the President about this information. Mr. LINDSEY. That is not correct. As I indicated, on October 4th, was on a trip with the President. I had a conversation with Jim Lyons, who indicated to me that he and others had had telephone calls from reporters and that the criminal referrals were referenced. After that conversation, I indicated to the President that there were press inquiries about the criminal referrals, that it was my understanding that he was mentioned in those referrals, but that he was not a subject or target. So as soon as there were press inquiries, and as soon as there was some indication that he might get asked or I might get asked, I told the President. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Gramm, your time is up. I'm going to see to it you have as much time as you need to finish, but I do want to stay within the time limits. Senator GRAMM. That's fine, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you. Senator Kerry. Senator KERRY, Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, Senator D'Amato has asked a very important series of questions, perhaps one of the most serious set of questions with respect to this group. I know he's going to come back to them. I'm sure others are because they go to the core of whether or not something improper may or may not have happened. I think we have to look at this a little further. He appropriately asked the witness, is your testimony true? We want to try to get at the facts.' When he said to the witness, is your testimony true, I think he meant, is it true to the best of the witness' memory, is this your testimony because when you say is the testimony true, there are others who contradict the testimony of Mr. Ickes, so that we ' re left trying to determine whether it's true, I mean, the witness can't say that it is, in fact, true.

Quake And Storm: Disaster Take Heavy Toll
Clip: 428668_1_1
Year Shot: 1962 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1702
Original Film: 035-073-01
HD: N/A
Location: various
Timecode: 00:00:28 - 00:02:32

Quake And Storm: Disaster Take Heavy Toll Ten thousand Iranians are dead in one of the most horrible disasters in modern history. People walk through rubble, destruction. Young boy sitting on rubble. Dead body in rubble? An equal number are seriously injured and from thirty to forty thousand homeless. Half-way around the world, nature went on another rampage in Korea, leaving 200 dead in a ravaging flood. Three children help carry debris. To the south, Hong Kong reeled from the impact of still another disaster -- a typhoon that killed 100, injured 600 and left 27,000 homeless. Boats half submerged in water. Destruction, damage, debris. Car lays upside down in street. Small black puppy trots through debris.

Space Triumph! US Outstrips Reds With Mighty Saturn
Clip: 429255_1_1
Year Shot: 1964 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1720
Original Film: 037-009-01
HD: N/A
Location: Cape Kennedy, Florida
Timecode: 00:00:46 - 00:02:39

The mighty Saturn, sixteen stories in height, is launched from Cape Kennedy and for the first time in the space race the United States has surpassed Russia. The rocket and payload total 19 tons and the 20,000 pounds that is put into orbit is, by far, the heaviest space vehicle ever launched successfully. President Johnson watches the launch on television. Cape Kennedy, Florida Saturn sitting on the launching pad. MOHS - Space control central and all the scientist and the technicians sitting at controls. MLS - Lift off time and Saturn takes off from the launching pad. MS - In Washington DC, President Johnson is watching the lift off on TV . Ground to air - Saturn in the sky looking like a meteor, fire in the sky with a smoke screen. MLS - The vision of Saturn disappears as some clouds roll in.

First Wheat Shipment To Russia
Clip: 429256_1_1
Year Shot: 1964 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1720
Original Film: 037-009-02
HD: N/A
Location: Norfolk, Va
Timecode: 00:02:39 - 00:03:15

The first grain to be shipped to the Soviet Union under the $250,000,000 deal negotiated last fall is loaded in Norfolk, Va. Russia has contracted to buy 148,000,000 bushels and her satellites more millions of bushels. Capitalist wheat for Communist dinner tables. Norfolk, VA The cargo ship is docked at a wheat silo where it is being filled up with grain. Camera pans - The shoot where tons of the grain is being transferred into the hull of the ship. MLS - Other ships out in the ocean.

August 4, 1994 - Part 8
Clip: 460741_1_1
Year Shot: 1994 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: Color
Tape Master: 10093
Original Film: 104557
HD: N/A
Location: Dirksen Senate Office Building
Timecode: -

(16:50:52) Senator D'AMATO. Well, I'm referring-and I don't mean to im- pinge, but if you Senator KERRY. I don't want to lose my time. Senator D'AMATO. I was referring to Senator KERRY. If I don't lose my time, I'm happy to have a colloquy on it. Senator D'AMATO. I'm certain to yield you time and you've been courteous and I think we all have. I was referring to whether or not the testimony he gave was true. Senator KERRY. Exactly. Senator D'AMATO. And he said it was. Senator KERRY. That's what I want to pin down. To the best of his memory. Senator D'AMATO No no that was sworn testimony that he gave that 375 Senator KERRY. I understand, whether or not the testimony as he delivered it, he still stands by it. I understand that. Senator DAMATO. Right. Senator KERRY. The reason it's important is that the testimony of Mr. Ickes that you specifically referred to, and appropriately, this is a very important area of inquiry. I share the interest of the Senator from New York in it. I just want to understand the playing field as we discuss it. The second part of it referred specifically to Mr. Ickes' testimony on "line 4, page 121, the investigation was going to take a longer period of time to conclude and it might not conclude until after the expiration of the statute of limitations." Then on the next page to another question, Mr. Ickes said the purpose of this meeting and the focus of this discussion was the relationship of the time that he felt the investigation might be wrapped up and that it was his understanding the investigation would probably not be concluded and a determination could not be made. Now, if we accept those two statements and find that those are, in fact, true, then there's a serious question about the transfer of that information, both from Treasury to the White House and from the White House to the First Lady, and I think the Senator agrees with me. We're both going in the same direction here. Without any further discussion on that for a moment, I just want to ask you a question. Do you remember whether or not Mr. Altman, in this meeting on February 2nd when you were all sitting around discussing this, did he read, to your memory, did he read from a prepared list of talking points? Mr. ICKES. Senator, he had a piece of paper in front of him. I was not sitting close enough to him to see whether there was anything on it. From time to time, during the course of his discussion, he would refer to that piece of paper. Senator KERRY. Throughout the discussion. Mr. ICKES. I don't want to say throughout, As I said, from time to time, he would refer to the piece of of paper Senator KERRY. Let me refer my col league-all of my colleagues, if I can, to the testimony of Ms. Hanson. In her deposition on pages 16 and 17, Hanson says Mr. Altman started the meeting by going through the talking points, and on page 17 "he read through the items. At one point I expanded on a piece of the discussion on the statute of limitations. I don't recall if it was as Mr. Altman was reading through the talking points or later, But other than that, there was no discussion while he read the talking points," Now, I ask unanimous consent that the talking points be placed in the record at this point. The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, so ordered. Senator KERRY. Turning to the talking points, the second to last talking point, I will read from it. "It is not certain when the analysis will be completed, but it will be before February 28th," Now, the testimony of Ms. Kulka, the testimony of Mr. Ryan was adamantly, as the people in charge of this investigation, that it could not have been possible for Mr. Altman to say that it might not be concluded because that was not the fact. In fact, his talking Points say that it is not certain when the analysis will be completed, and the evidence is that he read his talking points. 376 In addition to Ms. Kulka, you have Mr. Eggleston, Mr. Nussbaum, Mr. Altman himself and Ms. Williams, all of whom have a different memory from Mr. Ickes. So when we discuss this issue of is the testimony true or obviously true to the best of your recollection, is it possible, Mr. Ickes, and I'm trying to get the facts, not suggest something else, but all of the other evidence is countervailing to this notion that it would have been possible for you to have understood what you understood, Where are we?

India Celebrates Anniversary
Clip: 428627_1_1
Year Shot: 1962 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1701
Original Film: 035-068-02
HD: N/A
Location: New Delhi, Inda
Timecode: 00:22:12 - 00:23:33

India Celebrates Anniversary Prime Minister Nehru presides at India's 15th Anniversary of Independence and tells 100,000 Indians that they must pledge themselves to fight any encroachment by Red China on her northern border. Massive crowd. Prime Minister Nehru at podium, speaking (no sound).

Beauty Is An International Affair
Clip: 428628_1_1
Year Shot: 1962 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1701
Original Film: 035-068-03
HD: N/A
Location: California, USA
Timecode: 00:23:34 - 00:24:36

Beauty Is An International Affair "Miss Australia", a 21-year old beauty, is the victor over 51 other beauties in the "Miss International" Beauty of 1963 Contest. Herself a refugee from the Reds, she intends to work with refugees. WS of beauties parading on the stage, catwalk. Judges? Miss United States walks past camera. Contestants walking in single file line on stage, parading gowns. 5 contestants remaining on stage. Older man and woman in audience clapping, applaud. Winner is escorted over. Photographers taking pictures. Runners up, holding plaques and winner in center, wearing crown. CU woman wearing crown and smiling.

Sports: "Jaipur" Wins Travers
Clip: 428630_1_1
Year Shot: 1962 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1701
Original Film: 035-068-05
HD: N/A
Location: Saratoga, N.Y., USA
Timecode: 00:25:10 - 00:26:10

Sports: "Jaipur" Wins Travers Saratoga, entrance. Escalators? Crowds. Start of race, horses out of gate. It's a two horse race right from the start as "Jaipur" and "Ridan" battle it out together neck-and-neck. The pace smashes the Travers' record set by Man 'O War in 1920 and equals the track record. "Jaipur" has wings on his hooves. Horse with rider, being led off track, by trainer?

Red Berlin Move: Drop Command Post, Cut Ties to Allies
Clip: 428632_1_1
Year Shot: 1962 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1701
Original Film: 035-069-02
HD: N/A
Location: Berlin, Germany
Timecode: 00:27:37 - 00:28:54

Red Berlin Move: Drop Command Post, Cut Ties to Allies As the West Berliners stone a Soviet troop carrying bus, the Russians announce that they are abolishing the post of Commandant. Meanwhile, the Allies establish an ambulance patrol to rescue wounded refugees. German soldiers install barbed wire. CU barbed wire. Crowds gathered in background. Guards pushing back crowds. Russian troop bus is stoned by angry crowd as it drives past camera. Ext U.S. Army Checkpoint Charlie post. US Army ambulance? Sign on building reads: Kommandatura Berlin. Willie Brandt walks out of building, and gets into car.

Churchill Comes Home
Clip: 428633_1_1
Year Shot: 1962 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1701
Original Film: 035-069-03
HD: N/A
Location: London, England
Timecode: 00:28:55 - 00:29:54

Churchill Comes Home Sir Winston, 87, returns to his home after convalescing for 54 days in the hospital after breaking his hip. Crowds of onlookers gathered outside hospital. Lady Churchill arrives, shakes hands with two men. Crowd, man standing on light pole with camera. WS of doorway as Mr. Winston Churchill is carried out on a chair. Churchill raises his cigar, to acknowledge crowd. Churchill is lifted into ambulance. Churchill home, cu door handles, number 28 on door. Mr. Churchill is lifted out of ambulance, and takes his hat off to acknowledge the crowd.

"Ike" Visits His Scottish Castle
Clip: 428634_1_1
Year Shot: 1962 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1701
Original Film: 035-069-04
HD: N/A
Location: Europe
Timecode: 00:29:55 - 00:30:50

"Ike" Visits His Scottish Castle Former President Eisenhower rests at his apartment in Culzean Castle -- a residence that was a gift of the Scottish people. Castle, scenic. Former President Eisenhower talking to men, holding camera with telephoto lens. Mrs. Mamie Eisenhower smiling buttoning coat. Eisenhower grandchild, David playing baseball. Eisenhower, swinging golf club. Plane taxiing, in Dublin, Ireland. Sideview, men in uniform. Mr. Eisenhower waves his hat to the crowd.

Quakes Rock Italy - Tremors Take Heavy Tolls
Clip: 428636_1_1
Year Shot: 1962 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1701
Original Film: 035-070-01
HD: N/A
Location: Italy, Europe
Timecode: 00:32:40 - 00:33:38

Quakes Rock Italy - Tremors Take Heavy Tolls A series of earthquakes spread over two days leave sixteen Italians dead and more than 200 injured. Most of the disturbances are centered in Ariano Irpino, 40 miles east of Naples, where 10,000 homes had to be evacuated. Damage to buildings, rubble. Mother holding young boy. Three men start to clear rubble.

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