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Sacred Cows
India's annual "Festival of the Sacred Cows" includes the feeding, decorating, washing and worshipping of cows. It's also a public festival and the faithful celebrate at the fairgrounds. A group of women gather around a cow so as to decorate it with flowers and homemade jewelry. Water is splashed on the cow's legs to wash them. Three cows eat from a troth. Worshipers light butter-oil candles. A large crowd gathers in a public square. Two boys hold the ropes of two large cows as worshipers walk around them.
August 1, 1994 - Part 2
(13:05:12) Senator DOMENICI. Might I ask one last question, Counselor Kulka? I'm just going to read as succinctly as I can what Harold Ickes said while being, deposed under oath. He was asked by Mr. Bennett, one of the counsels, to recall the subject and what was discussed and he said, "Go ahead." Mr. Bennett said "Guess, do your best." And in the second paragraph of the answer he says this: 'The purpose of this meeting. . ."-the February 2, 1994, meeting which you helped brief him on, to get him ready for that meeting, as I understand it, did you not? Ms. KULKA. I didn't brief Mr. Ickes on anything, sir. Senator DOMENIci. No, you helped brief Altman. Ms. KuLKA. I may have had a meeting with Mr. Altman before that date. Senator DOMENICi. But look, be says this: "The purpose of this meeting and the focus of this discussion was the amount of time in which he felt this investigation might be wrapped up," and said, at least in so many words that it "was his understanding that the investigation probably would not be concluded, that a determination could not be Me by the RTC's General Counsel as to whether there was a basis for a civil claim until the expiration of the statute of limitations, as applied to that particular investigation." From what I gather here, Harold Ickes is saying that Mr. Altman said that, I believe Jean Hanson says that. Are you telling us that you did not tell him, Mr. Altman, that you did not have a case ready to go by statute of limitations time? Ms. KULKA. No, I never said we would not have a case read to go, and I said, and I think anybody who brings a case on behalf of a plaintiff, whether it's a criminal case or a civil case, knows that the more time you have, the better the job often is that you can do. Furthermore, the bringing of a complaint, the filing of a civiliam-a civil complaint does not terminate the discovery period. In other circumstances, it merely commences it. Everybody knows that you don't have to have all of your information in place when You bring the complaint. You can continue your discovery and we would have continued our discovery if it was deemed to be necessary. That much I told Mr. Altman. Also, I clearly told Mr. Altman that we would put our selves in a position, to the best we could, where we would be able to file complaints as long as we were not violating Rule 11 and fil- ing bad faith complaints which were not based on fact or that were frivolous. If we couldn't do that we wouldn't be able to make a rec- But, if we could do that, we thought we could make 48 a, recommendation which might mean those complaints might get amended as further information came down, or it would just be put in through the process of the civil litigation Senator DOMENICI. Obviously, Mr. Altman will have the last chance to explain it. I thank the chair and thank the witnesses. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Murray. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR PATTY MURRAY Senator MURRAY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to follow UP on what Senator Boxer brought up be. cause I an confused Mr, Ryan, you answered her question saying that you spoke to a Senator or Senate staff about the issue of the statute of limitations. Mr. RYAN. I was present -at a meeting -in which the questions about when the statute of limitations expired were raised. Senator MURRAY. Was that, prior to the February 2, 1994, White House meeting? Mr. RYAN. I believe so. Let me see -- January 24, 1994. Senator MURRAY. Janua-ry 24, 1994. So, that was prior to Roger Altman's meeting with the IL staff February 2, 1994? Mr. RYAN That's correct. Senator MURRAY. Are you aware that RTC lawyers spoke by telephone with lawyers of Senator D'Amato's staff later that week? Mr. RYAN. That's my understanding. Senator MURRAY. Can you tell us what was discussed -in that phone conversation? Mr. RYAN. I can't. I'm merely aware that conversation took place. Senator MURRAY. But, from what you were saying to me, member of the Senator's staff knew the information about the statute of limitations and, indeed, as we all know here, confidentiality doesn't last very 'ion-. It could have been that the White House found out that information from the Senate before Roger Altman ever talked to them. Is that correct? A possibility? Mr. RYAN. I don't have any idea. Senator MURRAY. It is a possibility since that information was out there. The other discussion item that really had me concerned was leaks. I am one of those people who believes that the public should have all information. That is part of our responsibility. However, leaks cause consternation. You said the RTC is ail information sieve, I believe that's what you said. Mr, RYAN. I did. Senator MURRAY. Do you think, that leaks to the press might ac- tually work to hinder investigations?
Moon Buggies
Scientists use mock-up lunar landing site to test whether future moon men can pinpoint their location. Moon buggies are tested, too, over craters, which duplicate the moon's surface. An open field has been craters to represent a region of the moon. Large holes dot the landscape. A technician sits in a moon buggy and then maneuvers it through various craters. Close-up shot of the technician griping the buggy's joystick.
Alabama VS. Florida State
At Birmingham, the collegiate opener for Alabama and Florida State is a ding-dong scoring battle all the way. Final score: 37-37 and FSU stops Alabama's two-year, 17 game winning streak. A black screen reads, "FOOTBALL - Alabama 37 - Florida State 37." Crowd shot, punt return, 51-yard score, interception. The crowd rushes the field. Alright footage, high energy.
Flood
The Rio Grande overflows its banks and both Texas and Mexico sustains massive damage. Some 200,000 are homeless, more than 40 dead and total damage tops one billion dollars. It'll take many months before life returns to normal. Several aerial shots of communities underwater. Close-up of house submerged. People and children wade through or swim in flooded streets. First aid station, food line. Great shot of a young child sleeping on a cot with a diaper on and holding a baby bottle. Another shot of an old man lying on a cot asleep with his shirt off.
U.N. Meeting
The U.S., France, Russia, and Great Britain are represented at an informal dinner-discussion, hosted by UN Secretary-General Thant. Key problems discussed include Vietnam and the Middle East. The exterior of the UN Building is a shin during the night. Dignitaries walk through a carousal door and are greeted by onlookers. Shot of all foreign dignitaries shaking hands and standing for photographs with each other.
August 1, 1994 - Part 2
(13:10:20) Mr. RYAN. Yes, I do, Senator. I've thought a lot about this. The responsibility for maintaining the confidentiality of that information, of any information, investigative or otherwise, that could damage a case that the RTC is bringing, is a responsibility first and foremost of the RTC itself. We haven't been very good about keeping those matters confidential. It's almost a certainty that any matter that has any kind of public interest at all is leaked to the press prematurely. Senator MURRAY. So, it could indeed damage a case that you have in front of you? 49 Mr. RYAN. It could, and we're quite I concerned about it. I think partly it's the nature of the RTC, We have 6,500 employees, many of whom are going to be out of a job come tile end of next year when the RTC goes out of business. There's riot much of an incentive for institutional loyalty. There's not much concern by the employees of RTC about doing something that might affect their em-ployment there, and we've had a lot of premature leaks of very sensitive information.' Senator MURRAY. What are your plans to deal with that? Mr. RYAN. We've tried to impress upon the staff the need to preserve that confidentiality. We've tried to deal with their anxieties about what's going to happen with their em ployment. Senator MURRAY. Are you going to continue to print the RTC Early Bird? Mr. RYAN. Um The CHAiRmAN, Let me offer an opinion. I sure hope you don't, just as one observer, 1 think, if there is one thing that's clear now, that document has outlived its usefulness, but excuse me-, Senator Murray. Senator MURRAY. Thank you, Mr, Chairman, I would like to ask Mr. Katsanos a question at this point. Senator BoxER. Did you get an answer to your question? Senator MURRAY. Mr. Ryan, first, could you tell me if you're going to continue to have the Early Bird printed? Mr. RYAN. I hadn't considered terminating it, but we'll certainly consider it. Senator MURRAY. Mr. Katsanos, in terms of this Early Bird, are you aware that it's also known as the 'leak sheet? Mr. KATSANos. No, Senator, I wasn't, but I'd like to point something out regarding the Early Bird. Nothing goes into this publication that is not relayed to us by reporters. We don't state what the agency's position is or what the agency's response,,; to the reporters are. The reporters are coming to us first, based on someone they've talked to, frequently someone sitting in the back aisle in this room. They're coming to us with the story, and they asking for our reaction. What we're telling OUT managers IS here's what the reporters have and what we expect could appear. Senator MURRAY. I'm not sure how many employee's you have in the RTC who actually see this, but I assume once it gets put on a piece of paper, it gets disseminated to a lot of people. I can imagine what I'd think if I were an employee in your office, and I re ceived this and saw something that says, The Rose Law Firm's alleged undisclosed conflicts of interest and internal RTC sources, suggestions that multiple referrals to the Justice Department link the. firm's - -members, friends, and loans to insolvent S&L's are being pursued by The Washington Post and the Associated Press. If this comes into some employee's hands who may not be higher-up, it's pretty much public information, wouldn't you say? Mr. KATSANOS, I would have to agree with that, Senator, and that's why each recipient of this publication has been Urged to treat it as a confidential document, not is a public document. I would also point out, Senator, that------- Senator BoxER, Would the Senator yield briefly to me at this Point? Why doesn't it say confidential"? 50 Mr. KATSANOS. I don't know that a stamp mark confidential" would make any difference, Senator. Senator BOXER. I disagree with you completely. Sorry, Senator. Senator MURRAY. I will say that the message I just read is dated September 30, which, I believe, is the day after Jean Hanson went to the White House. I guess I have one other question Mr. KATSANOS. Senator, I recall, in the documents your staff showed me, I did see a Jean Hanson memo with an Early Bird attached that I was told she forwarded to the White House. As I was about to say a moment ago, I had never been aware of this publication making it outside of the RTC until we began distributing it to the Treasury Department. Senator MURRAY. I have one other question, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Katsanos, it's for you. In your opinion, how did The New' York Times receive information about criminal referrals regarding Madison?
25,000 Workers Rush Aswan Dam Completion
The mighty Aswan Dam in Egypt is being completed on schedule as The mighty Aswan Dam in Egypt is being completed on schedule as laborers work around the clock in order to finish the job. Due for completion in 1970 it will span the river Nile for a distance of 2 miles. Russia is supervising the job. United States and Britain refused request from Egypt for loan toward the project. Aswan, Egypt 25,000 workers pouring from the trains. MLS - The last phase of completion of the Aswan Dam. MOHS - Dump truck unloading tons of rock into the Nile. MSLU - Men on top of the dam welding under advisement of Russian engineers. MS - Sail boats, tug boat and fishing boats in the Nile River. MCUS - A barge dumping tons of rock into the Nile River. MS - Electrical wires leading to the Aswan Dam.
Royalty On Parade: Duke Opens Stadium
A posh new sports center is dedicated near London by the Duke of Edinburgh - no mean athlete himself, though his arm is in a sling, from a fall from a polo pony. Built at a cost of $8,000,000 the National Recreation Center will offer facilities for everything from archery to football. Exterior of a new sports center, English Dignitaries milling about. MS - The Duke of Edinburgh exits his chauffeured limousine with his arm in a sling. MS - Inside the new sports center the people are seated every where. MS - Prince Phillip steps up to the podium and people applaud. MS - Prince Philip is walking around the building and their are young athletes everywhere. MS - The Prince is standing on a cat walk and as he looks down he sees two boxing rings and off to the right another area where a boxer can shadow box.. MS - The Prince looks down again and sees girls gymnastics, with the tumble horse, balance beam and tumbling mats. MS - The Prince is in the swimming center and it is pretty state of the art even in today's date. Its has a three platform high dive incorporated platform,. MS - Children s pool with little girls playing a game. MCUS - There's an underwater view of the swimmers as they dive in and swim under water.
Democrats Gather: Atlantic City Plays Host to Convention
Atlantic City is in a flurry of last-minute preparations for the Democratic Nominating Convention as it prepares to meet at the resort and name Lyndon B. Johnson as their candidate. About the only question is who will be his running-mate as cables are strung, personnel briefed and the chairs dusted off. Meanwhile, in Washington, the President has busy days and nights, before he settles down to campaigning. He greets government "interns", students studying government as they work during the summer, and throws a reception for Congressional leaders, to thank them for their work during this session. Atlantic City, NJ Looking down at Atlantic City. A marquee - Welcome's All Visitors And Democratic National Convention. Billboard - Atlantic City Welcomes - President Lyndon B. Johnson and the Democratic National Convention - August 23rd 1964. On a rotunda monument in the center of town, there's a big Greeting's on the building Washington DC The White House, a crowd, a lot of young Democratic standing outside the White House. President Johnson walking with students on the White House lawn. The President stops to shake hands and greet the workers. There's a salute to Congress on the White House lawn. for congressional leaders. Atlantic City, NJ Big banner of the President. Inside the newly furbished convention hall. Carpenters working. The Teletype room, sign 'Philadelphia Bulletin' - Chicago Sun-Times - Hearst Newspapers King Features Syndicate. Workman pulling and connection miles of wiring. Camera Panning - Convention hall packed with smoke and people. President Johnson and Lady Bird standing at the podium waving to all the people. All the state banners and all kinds of different campaign signs for President Johnson.
August 1, 1994 - Part 2
(13:15:31) Mr. KATsANos. I have no idea. I would have to concur with my colleagues here, and I'd have to reflect that when I was a reporter, I would have loved to 'have bad the job of covering the RTC. It is, because of the staff here, because of the people within the RTC, one of the easiest a emergencies to cover. One reporter once referred to it as not a very challenging agency. It's like shooting dead fish floating in a barrel of water. It's an exceptionally easy agency to cover. Senator MURRAY. Because you can get information quite easily? Mr. KATSANOS. You can get information from RTC staff and from RTC contractors. You can get information from congressional staff, and that's not unique to the RTC. It's just that since it is such a visible organization with such a controversial job with so many different players involved, it's a simple job as far as a reporter is concerned. Senator MURRAY. I will go back one more time, Mr. Ryan. You did say that leaks can really be a problem in terms of fraud and abuse. Mr. RYAN. Yes, they can. Senator MURRAY. Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. We're going to excuse Mr. Ryan just for a moment. Senator Hatch. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR ORRIN G. HATCH Senator HATCH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Kulka, prior to your employment at the RTC you worked for the Office of Thrift Supervision. Is that right? Ms. KuLKA. That's correct. Senator HATCH, While you were at OTS you were involved in the Kaye, Scholer settlement. Right? Ms. KuLKA. That's correct. Senator HATCH, Working on the Kaye, Scholer settlement at OTS, you bad dealings with Bernie Nussbaum and his law firm because they were representing Kaye, Scholer. Is that correct? Ms. KuLKA. I never met Mr. Nussbaum in that context. I had dealings with other of his partners, that's correct. Senator HATCH. But you did work with his law firm. Given your negotiations with Kaye, Scholer in that case, is it your opinion that 51 Mr. Nussbaum may have developed a view that you were tough or aggressive? Ms. KULKA. I try to review back how I handled the negotiations on the financial aspects of that settlement, sir, on the note that represented the payments Senator HATCH. I . had not criticizing you. Ms. KuLKA. -and I behaved in that case as I do in any other, I really don't know what someone would characterize. Senator HATCH. In your deposition, when you were basically asked that question, you said I hope so because that's your job. Right? Ms. KULKA. Yes, sir. Senator HATCH. You said you were "pretty tough" in negotiations. I commend you for it. I don't have any problem with that. I think you also characterize yourself as assertive. Ms. KULKA. Yes, sir. Senator HATCH. When you were hired as General Counsel of the RTC, that was in January 1994, 1 believe. Is that right? Ms, KuLKA. That's correct. Senator HATCH. When you were hired by the RTC, you were interviewed by the Treasury people as well. Is that right? Ms. KULKA. That's correct. Senator HATCH. Mr. Nussbaum never interviewed you? Ms. KuLKA. No. Senator HATCH. As General Counsel you were in charge of all the legal work at the RTC overseeing what, about 500 attorneys or lawyers? Ms. KuLKA. Yes, I think that's correct, sir. Senator HATCH. You mentioned there came a time in January 1994, when the RTC needed to hire an outside counsel to assist in the investigation of Madison. Right? Ms. KuLKA. That's correct. Senator HATCH. The RTC, based on the recommendations of the Senior Counsel and Assistant General Counsel, decided to hire the firm of Pillsbury, Madison, and Sutro. Ms. KULKA. Yes, sir. Senator HATCH. Is it not true that you were informed that Jay Ste Stephens was one of the two partners from Pillsbury, Madison who might head up the investigation? Ms. KuLKA. That's correct. Senator HATCH, You were made aware that jay Stephens was a former U.S. Attorney in the District here. Ms. KULKA. That's correct. Senator HATCH. You discussed the necessary requirements and decided that a former U.S. Attorney should be hired, Ms. KuLKA. There were aspects of the case that made that helpful Senator HATCH. Right. After your own questioning of the Senior Counsel and Assistant Counsel, the RTC selected Mr. Stephens sometime toward the end of January. Is that right? Ms, KuLKA. Mr. Stephens' firm, sir, yes. Senator HATCH. His firm but, in essence, he became one of the counsel. Ms. KuLKA. That's correct. 52 Senator HATCH. Is it accurate to say when outside counsel is hired, the counsel reports to the RTC and the RTC retains final authority over decisions the outside counsel makes on whether to pro- ceed with litigation in any particular case? Ms. KULKA. Absolutely. Senator HATCH. That's my understanding, and is that the rela- tionship that the RTC entered with Mr. Stephens? Ms. KuLKA. Yes, sir. Senator HATCH. Is the RTC's hiring of outside counsel made public? Ms. KULKA, It depends on the circumstances. Senator HATCH, With regard to Fiske and civil jurisdiction when you say "it depends on the circumstances," what does that mean? Ms. KULKA. It depends on whether making anyone aware of the fact that we've hired counsel can affect our strategy in our litigation. Senator HATCH. So, you might withhold that Ms. KULKA. You might withhold it or you might publish it. Senator HATCH. Most of the time it's published, OK. To the Fiske civil jurisdiction, do you recall, shortly after having hired Mr. Stephens, having learned of the Independent Counsel's charter and its arguable grant of civil jurisdiction? Ms. KULKA, I actually think I may have been aware of that before the firm was retained. Senator HATCH. Is it true you bad discussions with Mr. Fiske concerning the scope of the Independent Counselship? Ms. KULKA. I think they were more casual than that. Senator HATCH. But, nevertheless, discussions. Ms. KuLKA. Tangentially.
Fatal Explosion In California
Fatal Explosion In California. Three are killed and scores injured when a boiler explodes beneath a drug store and a dress shop in San Jose, California. Customers, counters and merchandise are hurled through a huge hole torn in the floor of the drug store; both shops are completely wrecked. Evening, fire engine park on the street, Traffic cop directing traffic, older lady with glasses looks into the camera. MS - Fire department and bomb squad experts examining the twist rubble and huge holes left by the exploding boiler. MS - Camera pans the twisted metal and merchandise thrown about. MS - Looking down in the hole are firemen removing lumber. MS - Above the dress shop is a twisted mess, broken liquors bottles , lawn chairs and other merchandise thrown about. MS - Two inspectors checking out the shops and the amount of damage caused by the exploding boiler, in the drug store there are a lot of boxes thrown about, Camera looking up - Dry wall blown right off the rafters and other dry wall still hap hazard'ly still nailed on the rafters in the ceiling, Looking down into the dress shop six firemen are pulling on the boiler and checking its safety valves. MS - Bomb squad inspectors and fire inspectors are checking out the site.
Moroccan Visitor: King Hassan II At White House
King Hassan II of Morocco arrives in Washington for a two day visit with President Kennedy. Union Station concourse is cleared for the welcoming ceremonies, after which there is a gala parade through the sunny, springtime-like streets of the nation's Capital. President and Mrs. Kennedy arrive at Union Station in Washington DC. MS - King Hassan II disembarks from the train. MS - President Kennedy shaking hands with the 34 year old monarch. MS - Down Independence Blvd. drives a squad of motorcycle police. MS - President John Kennedy and King Hassan II standing up in a convertible, in a Washington welcome motorcade waving to the people who are lining the streets. POV - The White House with people standing along the fence from on of the cars on the motorcade. CUS - Two news photographers taking pictures with 16 mm cameras. MCUS - President Kennedy standing with King Hassan II.
British Boating Classic
England's inter-collegiate sport classic, the Oxford-Cambridge boat race starts off with favored Cambridge well ahead. But the Oxford crew, stroked by American Duncan Spencer forge ahead and cross the finish line an easy winner in the Century-old rivalry. Throngs milling around at the Oxford / Cambridge boat race. MSL - Some of the long boats are in the water. MLS - There is a real regatta going on here between Oxford and Cambridge. MCUS - A young gal looking through binoculars. MCUS - Team rowing a long boat and its Cambridge who pulls out to a early lead. Camera pans over to Oxford rowing their boat. And its starting to catch up with Cambridge. MOHS - Oxford shoots out from under the bridge and is now in the lead. MS - The back of the Cambridge boat with the Oxford boat in front of them in a very good lead. CUS - Regatta fans taking pictures and yelling. MOHS - Oxford rowing its boat over the finish line at a very impressive lead of 5-lengths.
August 1, 1994 - Part 2
(13:20:50) Senator HATCH. Do you recall having a telephone conversation with Ms. Hanson on Saturday, February 5, 1994? Ms. KuLKA. I don't recall the date of any specific conversations, sir. Senator HATCH. But you did have a conversation with her at or near that time? Ms. KuLKA. That's quite likely. Senator HATCH. According to Ms. Hanson's deposition, she telephoned you at home on Saturday, February 5, 1994. Outside of the actual date, do you remember her calling you at home? Ms. KuLKA. I remember her calling me at home. Senator HATCH. Do you recall that conversation? Ms. KULKA, I don't know if I can identify the contents of the conversation with the place, sir, but if you tell what-I'll be happy to tell you whether I know the substance of what you would like to hear about it. Senator HATCH. Let's go to that and see what we can do here. During this conversation, you and Ms. Hanson discussed the Special Counsel's charter, and whether the charter's reference to giving Mr. Fiske civil jurisdiction could be read to cover the RTC's civil investigation. Do you remember that? Ms. KuLKA, Yes. 53 Senator HATCH. Is it not true that during the discussion or conversation you discussed an earlier discussion you had with Special Counsel Fiske? Ms. KULKA. I discussed a reference in that context. Senator HATCH. The conversation you bad with Fiske concerned the scope of his investigation and whether or not he was interested in pursuing the RTC civil litigation. Is that right? Ms. KuLKA. Not quite, sir. If I may, I would be happy to tell you-I made contact with Mr. Fiske shortly after he was appointed, to express our desire to cooperate and coordinate. We were discussing the timetable in which the RTC was operating under with the February 28, 1994, statute of limitations. He said , "I would not like to be in your position at this moment." From that, I took it that be was rather glad that he did not have our aspect of the litigation. Senator HATCH. If you recall, isn't it true, you then informed Ms. Hanson that it was your impression from your discussion or your casual conversation with Mr. Fiske that he did not intend to pursue RTC civil matters? Ms. KuLKA. No, sir, if I might give you the context of that conversation. Ms. Hanson asked me if it might be more effective and maybe easier for the RTC to function if Mr. Fiske did take that over, if he was likely to do it, and if he could do it. I think I told her it was a little more complicated because, although Mr. Fiske had clearly been given civil as well as criminal jurisdiction, he only had that which Ms. Reno could delegate to him. In our case, we had independent litigating authority at our agency, and we could use the Justice Department, therefore, Ms. Reno could delegate what we had assigned to them or we could litigate it ourselves. But, I didn't think that, based on my understanding without doing research, he had more than Ms. Reno could assign, and we bad the initial choice of how our litigation was handled. Senator HATCH. Ms. Hanson asked you to let Mr. Fiske take over the case? Ms. KuLKA. No, she just asked me what I thought about it and that's what I told her. I told her I didn't know if he would be enthusiastic about it based on the comment I've described to you. Senator HATCH. Was it your view that this information you discussed with her was confidential? Ms. KuLKA. I didn't have any view. I didn't make any assumption about it. Senator HATCH. Ms. Hanson informed you that she had been called by Mr. Nussbaum, and that her call was being made pursuant to instructions from Mr. Altman? Ms. KuLKA. With respect to that issue? Senator HATCH. That's correct. Ms. KuLKA. No. Senator HATCH. February 5, the date Ms. Hanson believes this conversation occurred, was only 2 days after Ms. Hanson bad inquired about you providing a private briefing to the Clintons' attorney, Mr. Kendall. Is that right? Ms. KULKA. I don't know if it was a briefing, sir, but she asked me to contact him, yes. 54 Senator HATCH. Is it common for the RTC to discuss with someone outside the RTC the jurisdictional deliberations it is having with the Department of Justice as they relate to a specific case? Ms. KuLKA, I don't know what is common, sir. I only know what I've done since I've been there and I haven't had the occasion to do that. The CHAIRMAN. The question is would you do that? You turneddown that request, did you not? Ms. KULKA. Yes, but I didn't turn it down because I thought there was anything startling, sir, because at some point we would be contacting attorneys The CHAIRMAN. Why did you turn it down? Ms. KuLKA. I thought we hadn't focused on any particular individual It would be rash to do it. It would have an inappropriate appearance to either make people assume, if they became aware that the Clintons were going to be defendants, that that was the likelihood or that, in fact, we were popping the question earlier than we should and therefore doing something we would not do in the ordinary course. For those various reasons, I thought it was unwise to do that. Senator DODD. Mr. Chairman, just on that point, it's not uncommon for private attorneys to be in touch with the RTC? Ms. KULKA. Absolutely, sir. It's perfectly common along the process as you develop your information. You're getting information from various people, You're talking to them about it, and those are consistent with your role in terms of representative
17 Die in Crash: Actual Pictures as Planes Fall in Sea
"U.S. Air Force planes are on a routine astronaut recovery practice mission when tragedy strikes. Two planes collide, only 2 men are able to bail out & 20 others go down with the craft. Five men are pulled from the sea, but 17 are killed." Panning TLS USAF transport plane taking off. Air to air shots of plane in flight. Air to air shot of twin propellers spinning. Animation of explosion. LS two planes just after mid-air collision, debris & wreckage hurtling toward sea. LSs smoldering debris drifting in sea.
US Bolsters Forces: Planes And Men Rushed to Asia
United States Bolsters Forces - Planes And Men Rushed To Asia. Swift and sure has been U.S. retaliation for communist PT Boat attacks on the high seas. The "Maddox" and the "C. Turner Joy" were attacked while patrolling international waters in the Gulf Of Tonkin off north Vietnam. War planes from two carriers avenged the unwarranted red assault with 64 sorties against North Vietnam Pt Bases. Twenty-five boats - more than half the fleet - were destroyed and oil reserves badly damaged. President Lyndon Johnson went before the people to announce the U.S. action and Ambassador Adlai Stevenson reported to the United Nations. Meanwhile, a massive U.S buildup is under way in southeast Asia as people of all political faiths rally behind the President in this crisis. Vietnam A naval aircraft carrier with the wings of the plane folded on the deck of the ship. MS - PT Boat 731, USS Maddox . OHS - Aerial shot of a aircraft carrier and plane taking off from its deck. MLS - An aircraft carrier. A torpedo being fed through the tubes of the ship. MS - Pilots climbing up to their cock pits in the jet fighters. MS - Jets taking off of the bridge of an aircraft carrier. Washington, DC Night shot in Washington, DC - The White House standing out in the dark by the out side lights. President Johnson steps up to the podium to report to the nation on the crises taking place in the sea's off of Vietnam. President Johnson, "In the larger sense this new act of aggression, aimed directly at our own forces, again brings home to all of us in the United States the importance of the struggle for peace and security in southeast Asia. Aggression by terror against the peaceful villagers of South Vietnam has now been joined by open aggression on the high seas against the United States of America. The determination of all Americans to carry out our full commitment to the people and to the government of South Vietnam will be redoubled by this outrage. Yet our response, for the present, will be limited and fitting. We Americans know, although others appear to forget, the risks of spreading conflict. We still seek no wider war. I have instructed the Secretary of State to make this position totally clear to friends and to adversaries and, indeed, to all. I have instructed Ambassador Stevenson to raise this matter immediately and urgently before the Security Council of the United Nations." New York, NY Inside the United Nation's Building in New York City. Ambassador Stevenson, "In South East Asia, we want nothing more and nothing less than the assured and guaranteed independence of the peoples of that area. We are in South East Asia to help our friends to receive their own opportunity to be free of imported terror and alien assassination managed by the North Vietnam Communists based in Hanoi and backed by the Chinese Communist of Beijing." Vietnam CUS - American soldiers being instructor by their head military advisor. CUS - Military helicopter and soldiers climbing inside and one is holding a bazooka. Helicopter leaving its pad. Air to Air - Helicopters in flight. One soldier a quarter of the way hanging out of the helicopter with a machine gun. Air born paratroopers jumping out of the helicopter. Soldiers patrolling the area where they landed in rice fields. The platoon of soldiers carefully patrol the rice field for the enemy. Soldiers sitting on the back of a truck being transporter to another location. United States air squadrons landing their aircraft. Washington, DC President Johnson, "It is a solemn responsibility to have to order even limited military action by forces whose overall strength is as vast and as awesome as those of the United States of America, but it is my considered conviction, shared throughout your Government, that firmness in the right is indispensable today for peace; that firmness will always be measured. Its mission is peace."
August 1, 1994 - Part 2
(13:25:45) The CHAIRMAN. Let's not confuse these things. There's a question as to whether they call you or you call them. Ms. KuLKA. It could be either, sir. The CHAIRMAN. I know. But the question is who initiates it? Ms. KULKA. It depends on the circumstance. I couldn't-it could be appropriate in either case, depending on the The CHAIRMAN. If you felt that-you've just testified-let's not skate all over the place here. You've just testified in this instanceyour time had expired. Senator DOMENICI. Now it's expired. Could I finish with my line of questioning, sir? The CHAIRMAN. You didn't think it was something you should do and that's why you decided not to do it? Ms. KULKA. That's correct. Senator DODD, It was a question of timing? Ms. KuLKA. That's absolutely right. Senator DODD. Not as to the appropriateness of it, whether or not there was a contact, just the timing of the contact? Ms. KULKA. It was the timing and what I thought the inferences were that didn't need to be drawn. Senator HATCH. Mr. Chairman The CHAIRMAN. Very briefly, and then I have to yield to Senator Sarbanes. Senator HATCH. I just have these final few questions in this line of questioning that I think might shed some light on it, if I could. Jumping ahead a bit, the Banking Committee deposed Ms. Hanson and in her deposition, Ms. Hanson testified sometime around 55 February 24 or 25, 1994, she contacted you to "inquire" as to how Mr. Stephens had been hired. Do you recall that conversation? Ms. KuLKA. I don't have a specific recollection of it, sir. Senator HATCH. Could I just ask two questions of Mr. Ryan a then The CHAIRMAN. I don't want to say no to you, Senator Hatch, but we're over the time period. Senator HATCH. It will only take a second. The CHAIRMAN. If it's a follow-up to this and it's only a minute or so I'd be happy to oblige because I don't want to be arbitrary to any Senator'. Senator HATCH. Mr. Ryan, in response to an earlier question, you stated that you do not recall informing anyone at the RTC that you would prefer to be able to say that Whitewater did not cause a loss to Madison. Just to be clear, do you deny ever having made such a statement? Mr. RYAN. I don't recall ever having made that statement. Senator HATCH. You don't deny it then? Mr. RYAN. I don't remember ever 'having made that statement Senator HATCH. Is it possible you could have made that state- ment? Mr. RYAN, I don't know. Senator HATCH. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRmAN. Thank you. Senator Sarbanes. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR PAUL S. SARBANES Senator SARBANES. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. First of all, Ms. Kulka, I want to be clear on this last point that was being discussed with Senators Hatch, Riegle, and Dodd. The RTC does have conversations with the attorneys for private parties that are involved in matters that you're examining, does it not? Ms. KuLKA. Yes, sir. Senator SARBANES. That's an ordinary occurrence, I would assume. Ms. KuLKA. Yes, sir. Senator SARBANES. In fact, some reference was made to getting tolling agreements, and I don't see how you could get a tolling agreement if you, didn't discuss it with the attorney for the private party from whom om you were trying to get the agreement. Wouldn't that be the case? Ms. KuLKA. That's correct. Senator SARBANES. So,, you and Mr. Ryan, in this instance when You said you didn't think such a conversation should take place, it wasn't because you have a general position that such conversations Ought not to occur, but it was because you thought the timing of this was premature, I think, was the word you used, Mr. Ryan. Is that correct? Mr. RYAN, That's correct, Senator SARBANES. I want to ask you, let me first try to get these so-called criminal referrals into perspective. I take it the RTC refers matters to the Justice Department for possible criminal action and I think, Mr. Roelle, you said in those instances where criminal activity In have occurred. Is that correct? gay Mr. ROELLE. Yes, sir. 56 Senator SARBANES. I gather the standard for a referral is lower than even probable cause. Would that be correct? Mr. ROELLE. Yes, sir. Senator SARBANES. In bow many cases in which the RTC makes such a referral to the Justice Department for possible action, does the Justice Department end up, in fact, bringing an indictment in a criminal case? Do you have any idea, just a rough percentage? 7 Mr. RoELLE. A rough percentage, I would think, would probably be less than 10 percent, perhaps even less than 5 percent. Senator SARBANES. Less than 5 percent. So there's-in other words, there are a great many referrals that are made, but a relatively few number of cases on which the Department of Justice then proceeds. Is that correct? Mr. ROELLE. That's correct, sir. Senator Sarbanes. I guess I want to ask Mr. Ryan and Ms. Kulka this question, Of course, we're looking very carefully into these discussions and contacts that took place, and we'll be examining other witnesses that will come before us this week with respect to those matters. I'm interested to know from you, though, as the Acting Director of the RTC and the General Counsel, if any of the referrals involving Madison are in a different posture today than they would have been bad none of these discussions taken place or-I mean, you had these discussions going on, but had these cases moved, in effect, on a straight track and today they're more or less where they would have been in any case?
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