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August 4, 1994 - Part 9
(19:10:01) Now, that's Tuesday, August 2nd. The third one was the one that we read here which came from the diary of Mr. Steiner. "After Howell Rains from The New York Times called to say that they were going to write a brutal editorial, Roger Altman decided to recuse himself. Harold and George then called to say that BC"- --Bill Clinton I guess-was furious. They also asked how Jay Ste- 415 phens, the former USA, 'U.S. Attorney,' had been hired to be Outside Counsel in the case. Simply outrageous that RTC had hired him, but even more amazing, when George then suggested to me that we needed to find a way to get rid of him, persuaded George that firing him would be incredibly stupid and improper," Now, do those three refresh your recollection at all with regard to these matters? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Well, there's nothing new there, sir. I would just say in all three instances, first of all, I had never directed anyone at the RTC to do anything, just get that down as a fact. Number two, as I read Mr. Altman's Senator HATCH. You did talk to Mr. Altman. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. As I read Mr. Altman's two pages here, what he seems to be saying is that simply bringing up the subject of Jay Stephens in any way was unwise. I understand his feeling there, but I certainly didn't direct anybody to do anything. I don't know when the conversation with Ms. Hanson and Mr. Steiner occurred, so I can't respond to it in any way. What I can say, it may have happened before he ever talked to me for all I know. I just simply don't know. Senator HATCH. Was somebody else at the White House who did these things? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Again, I had one brief conversation with Mr. Steiner about this subject. What 1 would go on to say is I've never met Ms. Hanson. I've never directed or asked her to do anything. I never met Ms. Kulka. I never directed or asked her to do anything. I have never directed anyone to do anything of this kind. I did grant that I got angry about Jay Stephens when I asked how he was hired. I did get angry. I testified to that, I've said that in public dozens of times. I've said it under sworn testimony several times as well. And I would point out that all of these people that you point out have given sworn testimony to the Office of Government Ethics, to the Special Counsel Mr. Fiske, to the House Committee on Banking, to the Senate Committee on Banking, all of them Senator HATCH. Let me interrupt you there. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Let me finish my sentence. The Office of Government Ethics found no ethical violations and Mr. Fiske found no criminal violations of any way. So the suggestion that in any way I did direct anyone to do anything like this is simply wrong. Senator HATCH. Mr. Stephanopoulos, the fact of the matter is that these questions weren't asked by Special Counsel, and I'm asking them. I've asked them throughout this proceeding because I'm concerned about what happened. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Mr. Fiske asked me all about this area. Senator HATCH. Frankly, it looks to me like dissembling. Somebody is lying here. Either Steiner is lying or Altman is lying or Ms. Hanson is lying or somebody else. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I don't agree with that, sir. Senator HATCH. Let me just say this: I'm not reaching any conclusions, but have you-did you or Mr. Ickes ever review Title 18 USC 1505? That's the Federal Obstruction of Justice statute. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Mr. Fiske fully reviewed it and found absolutely no 416 Senator HATCH. Did you and Mr. Ickes review it together? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. No, sir. Senator HATCH. They could all three be lying, I suppose. That' what's bothering a lot of us up here. There are all kinds of inconsistencies. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. There are no inconsistencies in my state- whatsoever. Senator HATCH. There sure is between these three things what you're saying here today. And I don't know who's telling the truth here, but somebody is not telling the truth. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Mr. Fiske asked all of these people all of these questions, sir, and he found absolutely no criminal violation. All of these questions have been covered Senator HATCH. I submit to you that Mr. Fiske did not do a good job in this area and he didn't ask some of these questions and he didn't go into it and pursue it the way he s hould have pursued. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I don't know how you know that. Senator HATCH. How do you know it? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I was asked questions by Mr. Fiske. Senator HATCH. What bothers me is we're asking the questions and we're getting the answers, except you deny it. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I give you my testimony as I've always done. Senator HATCH. Mr. Stephanopoulos, let me say this. Joshua Steiner has testified that sometime during the week of February 14th, he received a telephone call from John Podesta or from Mr. Podesta's assistant, Todd Stern, regarding the RTC's hiring of Jay Stephens. When did you first learn about the hiring of Jay Stephens? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Much later than that. Either the 24th or the 25th. Senator HATCH. It was at or near the time these calls were made? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Yes. Mr. PODESTA. Senator, I feel compelled to correct the record. Senator HATCH. Sure. I'd feel glad to have you do it, John. Go ahead. Mr. PODESTA. I did not learn of Mr. Stephens' hiring until, at the earliest, the night of the 24th or the morning of the 25th, so I do not believe that Mr. Steiner's testimony can be correct on that point. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Hatch, the time has run. If you had one follow-up right here, I would certainly permit it.
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August 4, 1994 - Part 9
(19:15:22) Senator HATCH. I do have one follow-up and I'll have to do the rest later. The CHAIRMAN. I will protect your time later, so it's not as if you will not have other opportunities. Senator HATCH. I appreciate that. Mr. Stephanopoulos, is it your testimony under oath before the Congress that you never told, requested, asked or suggested that Mr. Steiner or Mr. Altman find a way to fire or get rid of Mr. Stephens? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I don't remember saying anything like that at all. 417 Senator.HATCH. Do you deny that you said anything like that or had any conversation along those lines? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I have testified that I had a conversation asking how Jay Stephens came to be hired. I have testified that I got angry during that conversation. Senator HATCH. You don't have a recollection, but do you deny it? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Again, I have no recollection of saying anything like that in the conversation. Senator HATCH. I've got to tell you that saying I don't remember, I don't have a recollection doesn't suffice because this is an important matter. If you hadn't done such a thing, you would certainly know it. Had you done such a thing, you would certainly remember. I don't want to hold people to absolute recollection Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I know that I never directed anyone to take any action to impede an investigation. Senator DAMATO. That's not the question. You've been ducking this question now and ducking it and ducking it Senator DODD, He's answered the question. Senator DAMATO. No, he has not. Senator DODD. I think he has. Senator DAMATO. He has not. He's suggesting, but he hasn't answered the question. Senator DODD. Let him answer the question again. Senator HATCH. Let me put it one more time and you say whatever you want to. I want you to search our memory and I want to ask you one more time, under oath, did you ever tell, request, ask or suggest that Mr. Steiner or Mr. Altman or anybody else for that matter, find a way to fire or get rid of Mr. Stephens? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I never directed anyone to impede with that investigation in any way. Senator HATCH. Did you ever ask Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I never directed anyone to do anything like that. I have testified to my conversation. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Dodd. Senator DODD. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Let me just quickly ask by the way, what is Mr. Stephens doing today? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. He's investigating the matter of Madison Guaranty. Senator DODD. So he's still on the job. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Yes, sir. Senator DODD. I have three areas of concern, Mr. Chairman, that I think these witnesses can be of help to us. The first is the socalled pressure issue. I hate to use those words, but those seem to be the words that have become operative in regard to Mr. Altman. The second issue that I want to pursue is with you, Mr. Ickes, regarding the February 2nd meeting and the issue of what Mr. Altman said in that meeting regarding the statute of limitations and the date of February 28th, the date when the statute would run out. The third set of issues that this group of four witnesses can be of help with, is the issue of Mr. Altman's testimony before this Committee on the 24th of February and the issue regarding the ab- 418 sence of any reference to the recusal issue and the two other meet ings that occurred. So those are the three sets of issues. Quickly with regard to the first one, the so-called pressure issue, I'll ask all of You if You want to just quickly comment on this. I'm looking at a letter written that's been provided to us, from Mr. Altman to the President of the United States, and I gather it was sent on February 25th or there abouts. I won't read the whole letter, Mr. Chairman. I'll ask that it be included in the record. The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, it's so ordered. Senator DODD. In referencing the February 2nd meeting, Mr. Altman says to the President "the decision to have that meeting with your staff was dumb, and I take full responsibility for it." Let me ask the witnesses, is there any doubt in any of your minds that the holding of that meeting-I don't know if I want to use the word "dumb" or not, Mr. Altman's word, but it was certainly a mistake Mr. Lindsey. Mr. LINDSEY. I wouldn't disagree with Mr. Altman's assessment, Senator DODD. Mr. Podesta. Mr. PODESTA. I agree with Mr. Cutler and Mr. Altman. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I wish it hadn't happened. Mr. ICKES. Likewise. Senator DODD. Let me say on this point, Mr. Chairman, because we've heard a lot of testimony back and forth on this issue, and I fully respect that different colleagues can arrive at different conclusions about this. I think it's worthwhile to note for those who may not be as familiar with who Mr. Altman is and his background, that he had been confirmed by the Senate, worked in a previous Administration in the 1980's, spent some 11 or 12 years on Wall Street as an investment banker, and had come back into this Administration. He is 48 years old; he's not 28. He's an adult, and has been through a number of different processes. A lot of things can happen, and a lot of people know this person. I think I've met him twice, frankly.
August 4, 1994 - Part 9
(19:20:25) But it doesn't strike me this is someone who was to be pressured. He obviously was having some real questions about this himself, and he said in testimony he wished he had just made it in the first place, so obviously he's uncertain during all of this. That is obviously clear. But the question of whether or not that uncertainty was arrived at as a result of pressure or his own doubts about the decision, I think it's pretty clear. In my view, it was because of his own doubts about it rather than someone exercising pressure. That's just my opinion. Let me move very quickly to the second issue, which I think is extremely important. Mr. Ickes, this has to do with your testimony, and the meeting on February 2nd. I want to return to your testimony, I may. First, as I understand it, you took notes at that meeting, and I think you included them with your opening statement; is that not correct? Mr. ICKES. I did, Senator Dodd. Senator DODD. Do these notes reflect what was being said at that meeting by Mr. Altman? Mr. ICKES. Well, the notes are very summary. It was a meet in my recollection of some 45 minutes or so so these notes 419 some aspects of that meeting, and some of those-most of those notes, to my recollection, reflect what was being said in some respects by Mr. Altman. Senator DODD. These notes reflect, at least to the extent they reflect what was said at that meeting, not necessarily everything that was said at that meeting, but they're an accurate reflection in your mind regarding the items of which you took notes about. Mr. ICKES. Yes. Senator DODD. Now, you gave a deposition to this Committee, did you not? Mr. ICKES. I did, sir. Senator DODD. Now, I'm going to read some of this deposition, if I may. I'll start on page 121 around line 11. This is Mr. Codinha, our Chief Counsel who asked "did Mr. Altman discuss the steps that the RTC was taking to got the information that they would need in order to make a determination on the statute of limitations?" Mr. Bennett-now, Mr. Bennett is your attorney. Mr. ICKES. He is. Senator DODD. Is that Mr. Robert Bennett? Mr. ICKES. Yes, sir. Senator DODD. "Mr. BENNETT: I'm going to ask, in fairness to the witness, if what your objective is to find out what happened, if you could show him his notes which were taken in real time. I mean, if you want an accurate rather than a guessing years later. "Mr. CODINHA. Years later? "Mr. BENNETT. Not years later. Months and months. The point is the most accurate record is his contemporaneous notes, so we don't get into a guessing game. I'd ask you to show him his notes. "By Mr. Codinha. "Question: Mr. Ickes, as best you recall, what was said about the subject? "Mr. BENNETT. Go ahead. Guess. Do your best." Is that the advice of your Counsel, to guess? Mr. ICKES. I think that that is an accurate transcription of Mr. Bennett's Senator DODD. Let me make a point here because depositions are different than trials, although someone might conclude we are in a trial setting. But in depositions it's not necessary nor is it required-in fact, it's allowed in many cases for witnesses to bring notes and extraneous material to refresh their memories in a deposition. Normally, in the conduct of a trial or a hearing, people do bring notes and are allowed to refer to those notes in order to refresh their memory. So what Mr. Codinha did in this particular case is entirely proper in the conduct of depositions, and I want that to be very, very clear here. But the fact of the matter is you were not allowed to look at your notes in responding to the questions. Is that true? Mr. ICKES. That is correct, Senator. Senator DODD. And your Counsel said, then, to guess in your answers. That was his advice. Mr. ICKES. He said "go ahead, guess. Do your best." Senator DODD. I'd like you to take a look at your notes, if you can. After you were asked to look at your notes-well, you've done 420 that. Let me go back to this point that Senator Kerry was raising earlier about the issue of whether or not you heard Mr. Altman state that it would be--I'm paraphrasing here--impossible or almost impossible to bring the claims prior to February 28 because they wouldn't be ready. Mr. ICKES. Senator, as I think I made-I hope I made clear in my opening statement, there's a distinction between deciding whether or not an agency should go ahead and litigate a full blown case, and there's obviously a number of considerations that go into that. Chief among them, whether there's a reasonable possibility of winning, the cost involved, et cetera, as opposed to whether there's sufficient evidence to file a claim.
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August 4, 1994 - Part 9
(19:25:31) It was my understanding, based on my notes that I took, which basically reflect what Mr. Altman was telling us in part during that meeting, that the RTC- the statute of limitations was approaching. The deadline, as I understood it, was February 28th. That had been discussed during January by Senator D'Amato and other Members of the Senate, that the statute of limitations was drawing to a close, but that given that, as I understood what Mr. Altman was saying, they could either seek a tolling agreement from among the various parties that might be involved in any possible civil lawsuit or commence litigation to preserve the claim. So as I think I tried to make clear in my opening statement, I understood that they could either seek a tolling agreement or that they could file a protective lawsuit, for lack of a better word. Senator DODD. That's very important in my view. There's a distinction here. The distinction between a completed suit, which would mean that you'd have everything ready, absolutely tight and set to go. Nothing hanging out? Mr. ICKES. And to have made a final decision based on the various factors including the signoff by the various people in the agency, Senator. Senator DODD. As opposed to a protective suit, which means that you could file that without having necessarily all of the information necessary-is it Rule 11 test. I believe all of us are familiar that Ms. Kulka, who was in charge of these, stated that she was confident that could be done, so that is a bit different from what we've been told your testimony was. Mr. Altman then made--did he make it clear to you that a protective suit could be brought? Mr. ICKES, It was-based on his discussion and based on my notes of his discussion and certainly based on his talking points, which I've subsequently seen-as I've testified, I did not see them at the time of the meeting on the 2nd, it was clear to me that one of the considerations being taken into account at the RTC was whether or not they would file a protective suit. That was different, in my mind, as to whether they had sufficient evidence and had taken into account all the conversations to proceed with a full blown lawsuit. Senator DODD. Now, did you tell the President or the First Lady about the February 2nd meeting? Mr ICKES I've testified that I did. I don't recall when or where. Senator DODD. Did you tell the President and the First Lady that they could decline to sign a tolling agreement because the RTC- would not be able to put a case before the February 28th deadline? 421 Mr. ICKES. I am confident that I did not, Senator. Senator DODD. Mr. Chairman, I think that makes it a bit clear, in my view, the distinction between a completed suit and a protective suit and I think that distinction is important. I see the clock has run out-but we've received testimony and I'm sure my colleagues will remember this, from Ms. Kulka about the February 1st meeting with Mr. Altman in which she testifies that she received full authority to proceed. She told Mr. Altman there was no difficulty in proceeding on the 28th, and that with the exception of Ms. Williams, who I think said she really couldn't remember exactly what was said on this point-I may be wrong on that-but my recollection is everyone else recalled the conversation pretty much as Mr. Altman stated it was. Now what you're saying to us, Mr. Ickes, is that the distinction between the completed suit and the protective suit better characterizes your recollection of that meeting. Mr. ICKES. It was certainly my recollection, Senator, The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Dodd. Senator D'Amato. senator DAMATO. Thank you, Mr. Chairman Senator DOMENICI. Mr. Chairman, I wonder if I could ask a couple of questions. Senator DAmato? Senator DAMATO. Certainly. Senator DOMENICI. I won't use 10 minutes, if you're in a hurry, but I haven't asked any questions of this panel yet. Mr. Ickes, when these hearings opened, I had read your deposition, and I made a statement in my opening remarks on one of the most important issues regarding your deposition. Now, that's not too long ago, your deposition?
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August 4, 1994 - Part 9
(19:30:27) Mr. ICKES. I think the date, Senator, was Sunday, July 24th, Senator DOMENICI. All right. Now, Mr. Ickes you stated in your deposition that there was no mention of this suit to preserve a claim. It is nowhere in your deposition. Your deposition says the purpose of this meeting and the focus of this discussion was the amount of time in which he felt this investigation might be wrapped up. And he said, at least in so many words, that it was his understanding that the investigation probably would not be concluded and a determination could not be made by the RTC's General Counsel as to whether there was a basis for a civil claim until after the expiration of that statute of limitations. Mr. Ickes, you know what I think has happened? I think you all have been talking about this, and this is the most damaging testimony with reference to why the White House did not want Mr. Altman to get out of this position in the RTC. Your testimony under oath establishes that the White House could very well want him in there because he's the decisionmaker-notwithstanding this "de 'facto recusal" business-and there were still 3 weeks before the statute of limitation would run. In fact, he would be the one making--a decision as to whether or not this lawsuit got filed. Now, frankly, Mr. Altman took the witness stand and he said three different times, "wait 'til Mr. Ickes comes up here; he will deny this or he will change his mind about this." And guess what happened? You did. in fact, it will be very tough for anybody to understand this record as to what you really are saying. You told Sen- 422 ator D'Amato three times that what you said in your deposition was true. Now, there is absolutely no mention in this about a 44 protective suit." And it appears nowhere in your deposition. All Of a sudden, it appears today. And it appears in your opening remarks, and the reason I think it occurred, and the reason I think that Mr. Altman was so sure it was going to occur is because the talk around the White House, at least between Altman and you or Counsel, Legal Counsel, was "Mr. Ickes, you got a big problem," You've got a big problem. Senator DODD. Would you yield on that point just for a moment? Senator DOMENICI. Let me finish the thought and I'd be pleased to yield. I haven't had a chance to talk yet. Senator DODD. I haven't either. But I might point, you've got a cumulation of testimony, Ms. Kulka on February 1st, and then all the other participants in that meeting with the exception of one who's unclear. And even if you disregard Mr. Ickes, it seems to me when you're- looking and trying to determine what was said-Ms. Kulka, who has no axe to grind, here is one thing but Senator DAMATO. She wasn't there. Senator DODD. I'm talking. Senator D'AMATO. Wait a minute. Senator DODD. Wait a second. Senator D'AMATO. I let you go well over your time; didn't say a word. You ask him and make a statement that's incorrect. Ms. Kulka was not there. Senator KERRY. Senator Senator DODD, I said on the February 1st meeting Senator DOMENICI. Could I retain my time? Senator DODD. Certainly. Senator DOMENICI. Would you not charge me, I've had no opportunity to say anything thus far and I wanted to make my point. The CHAIRMAN. Fair enough. Senator DOMENICI. Frankly, it seems to me that you assumedrightfully or wrongfully-that when Mr. Roger Altman talked about recusal at the February 2nd meeting, you assume that it was very important that he stay in that job. I cannot extract anything different than that from what occurred. Is it true or not that you still considered him to be the ultimate decisionmaker until he actually recused himself?
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(19:45:35) Senator DODD. I don't disagree with that. I'm saying if you're ana question, you've been a witness, I've been a witness, and say let me look at my notes as I answer you, or in a trial you ,tauve the right to look at your notes to refresh your memory. So the fact that you have, you've been over them, the fact that you're re 426 sponding to a question and your lawyer says, guess, do your when we're now down to an important matter in this matter I like to rely on a guess, that's why I went over the distinction between a concluded claim and a protective claim. I appreciate you reading into the record because our witnesses do have an opportunity-we're on a tight schedule but nonetheless, they have a right to come back if they didn't like it and be deposed. The CHAIRMAN. Absolutely. Senator Shelby. Mr. ICKES. Mr. Chairman, I just want to make clear here. I think the statement read by the Senator is a little out of context. If you go to the preceding page, page 86 Senator DODD. Which Senator are you talking about now? Mr. ICKES. Senator Domenici. I think if you read the lead-in that, on line (19:46:38)(tape #10094 ends)
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