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Throngs Throngs Pay Homage To Nehru
Clip: 425250_1_1
Year Shot: 1964 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1724
Original Film: 037-044-02
HD: N/A
Location: New Delhi, India
Timecode: 00:18:57 - 00:20:52

A million and a half sorrowing Indians line the streets of New Delhi to bid a tearful farewell to one of the great national heroes Jawaharlal Nehru. His body is borne through the streets on a gun carriage to a funeral pyre on the River Jumna where he is cremated. New Delhi, India Throngs line the streets of India as the funeral slowly makes it way down the street. MS - India's armed forces. MLS - Camera panning the crowd. CUS - An Indian military has his head bent down in sorrow, you see other faces in the frame. MSOH - Nehru laying on a long pillow surrounded by flowers. MS - Nehru's family riding slowly in a convertible MS - Military men carrying Nehru's remains up the stairs and they will lay him down to rest and publicly cremate his body. MS - Lord Mountbatten standing behind a barrier with some other Royals. MCUS - Dean Rusk. MS - Mr. Nehru's daughter and her son. MS - Indian holy men light the fire, the wood is sandalwood laced with incense

August 1, 1994 - Part 3
Clip: 460143_1_1
Year Shot: 1994 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: Color
Tape Master: 10058
Original Film: 102866
HD: N/A
Location: Dirksen Senate Office Building
Timecode: -

(14:50:30) Senator BENNETT. Senator Hatch. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Hatch, the way we're going to handle remaining time from one person's questioning is that the next person has to take it right then, Are you ready to use that time now? Senator HATCH. Sure. Ms. Kulka, I want to return to some questions about the February 1, 1994, status of the investigation, since that's a critical time. You testified, as of February 1, 1994, you hadn't focused on individuals, as I recall your testimony. Let me just read to you from Mr. Nye's deposition, He said: The issue, as I understand it, was in light of the circumstances of the February 28, 1994, expiration of the statute of limitations, whether one should seek a tolling agreement drop the cases, or file suit based on what she deemed would be imperfect Information. Question: What did Ms. Kulka say about the imperfections of the information at that point? Answer: Just that she wouldn't have enough time between. Her feeling was that she wouldn't have enough time between then and the date of the meeting and February 28, 1994, the statute or limitations expiration, to make as informed a decision would need to make, in her opinion. That wouldn't be enough to sort of go through all of these mountains of documents and so forth or for her staff to do so, 4 she and that , ultimately, she would have to be making a decision with the best infromation possible at that time. That's what he said, but isn't it true, then, as of February 1, 1994 that the RTC needed to review many records with regard to these meetings? 76 Ms. KULKA. That's correct. Senator HATCH. Isn't it true that the RTC needed to interview additional witnesses? Ms. KULKA, That's correct. Senator HATCH. And isn't it true that on February 2, 1994, the RTC had a team in Kansas City, Missouri, interviewing the RTC investigators in an effort to gather information and identify records. Ms. KULKA. Yes. Senator HATCH. In fact, the RTC still hasn't completed its investigation as of today and certainly hadn't concluded its investigation as of February 28, 1994, Ms. KULKA. That's correct. Senator HATCH. Isn't it true, also, that it would have been ex- tremely difficult to complete an investigation by February 28, 1994? Ms. KuLKA. That's correct. Senator HATCH. You so informed Mr. Altman? Ms. KULKA. That's correct. Senator HATCH. Mr. Katsanos, if I could ask you a question or two. Mr, KATSANOS. Certainly, sir. Senator HATCH. I want to understand this Early Bird. Isn't it true the Early Bird in October did not publish information about, No. 1, the names of all of the parties to the criminal referral? Mr. KATSANOS. That is correct. Senator HATCH. In fact, No. 2, it did not give any status of the parties named in the criminal referral. Mr. KATSANOS. That's correct. Senator HATCH. No. 3, the allegations against the individuals named in the criminal referral were not referred to either. Mr. KATSANOS. That's correct. The Early Bird deals only with issues being raised by reporters in a very summary fashion. Senator HATCH. So none of those things were covered by the Early Bird. Mr. KATSANOS. That is correct. Senator HATCH. Mr. Roelle, just a question or two for you. As I understand it, you informed Ms. Hanson about, No. 1, the names of the parties to the criminal referral. Right? Mr. ROELLE. Yes, sir. Senator HATCH. No. 2, the status of the parties referred to in the criminal referral. Mr. ROELLE. No, sir. Senator HATCH. You did not inform her, in any way, about the status of those parties? Mr. ROELLE. No, sir. Senator HATCH. No. 3, the allegations against the individuals named. Did you inform her about those? Mr. ROELLE. Yes, sir. Senator HATCH. You gave her the names of the parties and the allegations against them. Mr. ROELLE. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Kerry. Senator HATCH. I only have one more, The time is up? 77 The Chairman. The time is up, If it's one brief follow-up question and it will finish you I'll defer to you. Senator HATCH. IF I may have this one, I won't ask any more. The CHAIRMAN. Very good. Senator HATCH. Ms. Kulka, given the status of the Madison investigation in early February and the fact that the statute of limitations was due to run on February 28, 1994, do you think a reasonable person might conclude that it would be to a potential defendant's advantage to have the case dropped by the RTC and turned over to Mr. Fiske? Ms. KULKA. I have no idea, sir. Senator HATCH. He was very busy. He had all of the thousands of issues involved in the matter and would not have bad the team or the time that you would have had to have followed through Ms. KULKA. I don't know who has more staff available or what resources are available to him, The CHAIRMAN. Excuse me. I misspoke earlier. Senator Shelby of Alabama.

Argentine Revolt: Rebel Naval Units Crushed By Troops
Clip: 425209_1_1
Year Shot: 1963 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1709
Original Film: 036-030-01
HD: N/A
Location: Argentina
Timecode: 00:32:10 - 00:35:07

Argentine Revolt: Rebel Naval Units Crushed By Troops. The seething undercurrent of political unrest in the Argentine centers around the followers of former dictator Juan Peron and those forces which would crush them. Naval and Marine units rebel as they demand that Peronists be outlawed and two-day civil war rocks the country. President Jose Guido wants to allow them to vote in the June election, the rebels did not. Marines seize Buenos Aires for a few hours and Navy planes blast loyalist tank units. Sixty are dead in the two-day war and damage to installations is high. The empty streets of Argentina. MS - Government building. MS - People gathered in the streets, mostly men. MS - South American military carry a mired of thing out of the building. MOHS - US military ships. OHS - People on the streets of Argentina, and barricades being set up. CUS - General Juan Organia. MS - Armed military men on the streets of Argentina. MS - Aftermath of a bombing of a military building. MS - Tank with soldiers on the top traveling down the road. MS - Military truck pulling a stationary machine gun on the back MS - Aftermath of a bombed out military air field.

Tragedy At "500" Two Drivers Killed In Racing Classic
Clip: 425251_1_1
Year Shot: 1964 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1724
Original Film: 037-044-04
HD: N/A
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Timecode: 00:21:34 - 00:24:06

Tragedy takes the wheel at Indianapolis. As the 33 starters end the second lap Dave MacDonald goes into a spin and hits the outside wall. It starts a chain reaction, and seven cars pile up. MacDonald and Eddie Sachs die, three others are injured, one seriously. A.J. Foyt goes on to win at an average of better than 147 miles an hour - four miles an hour better than last year's all-time record. Indy 500 Indianapolis, IN Throngs pouring into the gates of the Indianapolis - 500. MLS - The stands are packed tightly with people. OHS - The thirty three cars lined up and slowly making their way on the track. MS - At the end of the second lap Dave MacDonald racer goes into a spin, hits the wall and causes a 7 - car pile up. One of the car's hits the wall so hard that it burst into flames. MLS - You see one car pull out of the fire and the cars on fire and blows up as he smashes into MacDonald. Eddie Sachs is killed on the track and MacDonald dies later on in the hospital. LS - Ronnie Cuman making it over the wall, he is badly burned. The race continues. Another driver catches frire. AJ Foyt wins.

Baby Aardvark
Clip: 425359_1_1
Year Shot: 1967 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1764
Original Film: 040-080-05
HD: N/A
Location: Miami, Florida
Timecode: -

The second aardvark ever born in captivity arrives at Miami's Grandon Park Zoo. It weighs in at four pounds, they think it's a female but they don't know who the parents are among their four adult aardvarks! The mother waddles around in her cage. The baby scurries about in a grassy area. Quick shot of an alligator and a cougar. A cages monkey ticks its' tongue out twice. A zoo trainer holds the baby as it kicks its' legs.

August 1, 1994 - Part 3
Clip: 460144_1_1
Year Shot: 1994 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: Color
Tape Master: 10058
Original Film: 102866
HD: N/A
Location: Dirksen Senate Office Building
Timecode: -

(14:55:15) Senator SHELBY. I'll try to be brief Ms. Kulka, could you go into, again, what Rule 11 says and why it was there, with a brief discussion? Ms. KULKA. There's a Federal Rule of Civil Procedure which provides, in essence, that an attorney may not sign or certify a pleading unless that attorney believes there is a factual basis for the allegations set forth in the pleading in the complaint, for instance, and that it's made in good faith and is not frivolous. There are sanctions that are assessable against the attorney, rather than the client, if inappropriate pleadings are filed that don't meet the standards set forth in Rule 11. Senator SHELBY. Basically, you and your office were aware that this case was not ready for filing at this point in time. Ms. KULKA. It wasn't ready for filing in early February, that is for sure. Senator SHELBY. That's what I mean. Ms. KuLKA. That's correct. Senator SHELBY. Information is very important, isn't it, Ms. Kulka? Ms. KuLKA. Yes, Senator SHELBY. And inside information or information that's not known to the public but could possibly affect someone's case is a precious commodity, isn't it? Ms. KuLKA. It can be. Senator SHELBY. It can be. Other than Mr. Altman, I'm aware of what Ms. Hanson's contacts were and so forth, but did anyone in the RTC other than Mr. Altman, to your knowledge, mention briefin the White House? vs. KuLKA. No, sir. senator SHELBY. So, except for Mr. Altman wearing these two hats, in other words, being the Deputy Secretary of Treasury and the Acting CEO of the RTC, was that the catalyst for the problem? Ms. KULKA, I don't know, sir. There is a provision in the statute, 1821T, although I'm not good at citing them, that permits Government agencies to share a lot of confidential information with other Government agencies without waiving the privilege. I think that's 78 in recognition of the fact that it was unclear, if you shared that in. formation before that provision was passed, that you wouldn't waive the privilege. That's all to a recognition that agencies do share information. Senator SHELBY. Ms. Kulka, this information regarding two pos-sible--criminal referrals, that is confidential information, isn't it? Ms. KuLKA. That's correct, and you wouldn't reveal it outside Senator SHELBY. Have you known, since you've been at the RTC out of any other information like that that's been disseminated the RTC? Ms. KuLKA. Of course, there is the information that our staff reg- ularly leaks, sir, and we've had a great deal of difficulty with. Senator SHELBY. Other than that, do you know of some specific , briefings that took place other than Altman, Bentsen, and so forth? Ms. KuLKA. Are you referring to the White House? Senator SHELBY. Yes. Ms. KuLKA. I'm unaware of a Senator SHELBY. There's a difference between an ordinary leak and a specific briefing, is it not? ~ ~ Ms. KULKA. There s a difference between a briefing within the Government and a leak outside of the Government, es, sir. Senator SHELBY. Would you call it a briefing within the Govern-. ment when the Counsel at Treasury goes to the White House and explains what's going on at the RTC regarding some people thatcould be targets of that? Ms. KuLKA. I don't understand if what you're telling me, sir, is the factual basis for what happened or if it was the subject matter. I have a lot of problems speculating about it, the way you've got it characterized. Senator SHELBY. In other words, you don't know what went on down there other than what you've been told or read. Is that what you're saying? Ms. KuLKA. That's correct. Senator SHELBY. You don't want to speculate at all? Ms. KuLKA. That's correct. Senator SHELBY. You did say, a minute ago, this is confidential information that should have stayed within the RTC? Ms. KuLKA. No, I said it could be shared amongst Government agencies, in the appropriate circumstance, without waiving the privileges. Senator SHELBY. What would you consider to be proper Government agencies? Ms. KuLKA. I think it depends on the circumstance. Senator SHELBY. What would you consider? Ms. KULKA_ For instance, when I was at OTS, OTS and the RTC shared a lot of information about criminal referrals and investigations, We shared them with other regulatory agencies. We shared them with the Department of Justice. They were not just criminal referrals. Senator SHELBY. Did you share them with the White House? Ms. KULKA. No, sir. Senator SHELBY. That's all. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Shelby. 79 Senator Domenici. Senator DOMENICI. Thank you very much. Could I ask, would you give me your definition of a recusal, Mr. Ryan?

Brentwood Homes Collapse
Clip: 425096_1_1
Year Shot: 1963 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1706
Original Film: 036-004-02
HD: N/A
Location: Los Angeles, California
Timecode: 00:24:05 - 00:25:12

Brentwood Home Collapse Landslide Wrecks West Coast Homes. Creeping disaster has spelled the doom of a dozen homes on a hillside in Los Angeles. Built on a layer of sixty-foot deep fill, two of the homes are slipping from their foundations and threaten to carry away a dozen homes on the hill below. All of the houses (all in the $45,000 class) have been evacuated and a heavy rain could carry a score down to the valley. CU UNSAFE sticker on property. Two women carry boxes out from home, and pile onto truck. Damaged, ruined property.

Ski Meet At Bear Mountain
Clip: 425097_1_1
Year Shot: 1963 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1706
Original Film: 036-004-03
HD: N/A
Location: Bear Mountain, New York, USA
Timecode: 00:25:15 - 00:27:04

Ski Meet At Bear Mountain Spectators converge on the ski jump at Bear Mountain, New York, for the 18th annual Torger Tokle Memorial Jump. Named in honor of the U.S.'s greatest skier who was killed in the War. The meet brings together the cream of the Eastern skiers. Thrills galore before Dean Schambach winds up as King of the Hill. Various skiers. Man waves flag atop ski slope.

Sky-High Blaze: Fight Fire Atop New York Skyscraper
Clip: 425099_1_1
Year Shot: 1963 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1706
Original Film: 036-005-03
HD: N/A
Location: New York, New York, USA
Timecode: 00:31:46 - 00:32:50

Fight Fire Atop New York Skyscraper New York's most famous landmark, the Empire State Building, is hit by a fire that proves elusive and stubborn. Traffic is snarled as firemen fight a blaze that touches nine different floors from the 24th to the 68th. Aerial of New York skyline with Empire State building in center. Pan up to Empire State building. Traffic at stand still. CU man in hat looking up towards sky. Firemen walking towards camera.

Monkey Shines - Sports
Clip: 425100_1_1
Year Shot: 1963 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1706
Original Film: 036-005-04
HD: N/A
Location: Germany
Timecode: 00:32:54 - 00:33:57

This Chimp Is A Gay Blade Usually, summer is the wacky season, but this winter things aren't on an even keel in Germany. They've taught a Chimp to Skate and he's a real swinger! Trainer lacing up skates on chimp. Boys look on. CU Chimp smiling. Chimp skating backwards on ice, and also jumps over obstacles. Young teenagers gathered along sideline, clapping (applaud). Chimp twirling, goes around in circles. After some trick "Archibald" leads a Conga that proves he's a real gay blade with quite a line. (animal stunts, tricks)

Tax Cut Due
Clip: 425101_1_1
Year Shot: 1963 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1706
Original Film: 036-006-01
HD: N/A
Location: Washington D.C., USA
Timecode: 00:34:40 - 00:37:35

Tax Cut Due!---President Outlines Plans To Congress Image is dark, hard to see In his State of the Union message to Congress, President Kennedy calls for an eleven million dollar tax cut for individual taxpayers. He wants individual tax rates cut from the present 20% to a 91% to a range of 14% to 65%. He says the recession is behind us. Warns to be cautious about the rift between Red China and the Soviet Union. President Kennedy speaking to Congress (nat sound).

Nuclear Power: Two New Subs Launched
Clip: 425102_1_1
Year Shot: 1963 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1706
Original Film: 036-006-02
HD: N/A
Location: New Hampshire and Connecticut, USA
Timecode: 00:37:35 - 00:38:30

Nuclear Power: Two New Subs Launched Image is dark and hard to see. Added might for Uncle Sam's deterrent power as two more nuclear-powered submarines join the fleet. The "John Adams" is launched at Portsmouth, New Hampshire, while the "Natan Hale" goes into the water at Groton, Connecticut. The new subs will fire the advanced A-Three Polaris missile. Woman christens submarine. Sailors saluting aboard ship as submarine is launched.

Ship Ahoy! Motor Boat Show Hints of Spring
Clip: 425103_1_1
Year Shot: 1963 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1706
Original Film: 036-006-03
HD: N/A
Location: New York, New York, USA
Timecode: 00:38:30 - 00:39:30

Ship Ahoy! Motor Boat Show Hints Of Spring Image is dark and hard to see. Some people look for the first robin while others figure that when the Motor Boat Show opens - in New York - Spring can't be far away. You can buy a boat from $99.00 up- mostly UP. Crowd gathered outside building. Overview of boat show. Various nautical.

Bruce Kidd Shines At Meet
Clip: 425104_1_1
Year Shot: 1963 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1706
Original Film: 036-006-04
HD: N/A
Location: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Timecode: 00:39:34 - 00:40:44

Bruce Kidd Shines At Meet Image is dark and hard to see. The Knights of Columbus Track Meet in Boston is highlighted by the performance of University of Toronto ace, Bruce Kidd, who-wins the two-miler in 6 minutes, 43 seconds. He demonstrates How to Succeed at Distance Running Without Half-Trying.

August 1, 1994 - Part 3
Clip: 460145_1_1
Year Shot: 1994 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: Color
Tape Master: 10058
Original Film: 102866
HD: N/A
Location: Dirksen Senate Office Building
Timecode: -

(15:00:20) Mr. RYAN. My definition of a recusal would be a decision on someone's part to take no part in any deliberations regarding that matter to completely not participate in any decision, not receive any information, and to not deal with it at all. Senator DOMENICI. Mr. Ryan and Ms. Kulka, in this context, why would one recuse himself? Why would Mr. Altman be considering recusing and why would you be talking to him about it? Ms. KULKA. I think I stated, sir, that I believed that the political ramifications were enormous for him, personally, and for the RTC. My beliefs were based on his discussion that he would rely on the advice and recommendations given to him by Mr. Ryan and myself He was taking an unnecessary potential bit. Senator DomENici. There's an understandable reason for pressure to be on that person who recuses himself Ms. KULKA. I wasn't commenting on that, sir, and I haven't analyzed that. Senator DOMENICI. Let me ask, were you part of the briefing team for Roger Altman before he came to testify before us? Ms. KuLKA. Yes, sir. Senator DOMENICI. Could you tell us what date that was? Ms. KuLKA. There were a couple of dates. I think there may have been a short meeting at the end of the preceding week, and I know there were at least two meetings. I believe they were late Monday night and late Tuesday night of the week in which the bearing was actually held. Senator DOMENICI. Mr. Ryan, you were part of those, too? Mr. RYAN. Yes, sir. Senator DOMENICI. Do either of you know now or were you told when Mr. Altman came to testify before us---even though he had a note, which we have seen, that indicated what was talked about at the February 2, 1994, meeting, and one point on it was his recusing himself-do any of you have any information as to why he didn't tell us when he came before us on February 24, 1994? Has anything been said to you about that, any of you? Mr. RYAN. Not to me. Ms. KuLKA. No, sir. Senator DOMENICI. Did you understand at any point, Ms. Kulka, based on his conversations with you, that he was going to recuse himself'.? Ms. KULKA. No, sir, I did not know what be was going to do. Senator DOMENICI. He never indicated to you that be was? Ms. KULKA. No, sir. Senator DOMENICI. To you, Mr. Ryan? Mr. RYAN. No. As a matter of fact, be indicated he was not. Senator DOMENICI. Did be tell you where he got pressure from Pot to do that? He did not. Senator DOMENICI. Do you know who he talked to before be told that? Mr Ryan. No. No I don't. 80 Senator DomENici. When Mr. Altman came before us, before the Senate Committee, he indicated that the principal subject matter of the February 2, 1994, briefing did not include a discussion recusal. (15:03:30) (End of tape #10058)

August 1, 1994 - Part 4
Clip: 460150_1_1
Year Shot: 1994 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: Color
Tape Master: 10059
Original Film: 102867
HD: N/A
Location: Dirksen Senate Office Building
Timecode: -

(15:21:24) Senator D'AMATO. Mr. Chairman, I have not said anything now Senator KERRY. I'm just- Senator DAMATO. it is well, well past the time and well past scope. But I believe we have to try to be accommodating. I've not said anything. I think we've gone well beyond accommodation. People want to conjecture. These witnesses have tried to answer the questions as they relate to them and, now, the Senator is going into a colloquy. The Senator has gone well beyond his time and well beyond the scope. Senator KERRY. It's not well beyond the scope. Senator DAmato. I think it is. KERRY. It's not, because there's a second phase of this and what I want to guarantee is that we look thoroughly at what happened in Whitewater. The Senator from New York has spent hours on the floor of the Senate asking us to look at Whitewater. I want to look at Whitewater. Senator DAMATO. Good. Senator KERRY. I want to make sure we look at every aspect. 86 Senator D'AMATO. I agree with my colleague. I have no problem, but you've Senator KERRY. I want to look to make sure my colleagues agree agree that we ask why the Republican U.S. Attorney in Little Rock Senator D'amato: I want to know why the Democratic U.S. AV attorney in Little Rock refused to recuse herself when she should have. If we're going to start making political statements, and what my friend is engaged in, then well start and III respond Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman Senator D'AmATO. Why didn't that take place'? Why shouldn't Paula Casey be here? I thought we set up ground rules in we decided Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman. Senator D'AMATO -there are certain areas, as it relates to Justice Department et cetera, we wouldn't go into. Now, my friend finds it convenient to go into it. If you want to ask about the Attorney, the Republican U.S. Attorney, I want to know about the Democratic U.S. Attorney and why a friend of Bill and Hillary Clinton took that case and didn't recuse themselves immediately.", Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman The CHAIRMAN. Gentlemen, let me ask you both to suspend for minute. If I may say, with respect to the time clock, because we've been trying to honor that Senator KERRY. I can wait until the next go around. The CHAIRMAN. That was going. to I be my next point. I think; there are two questions here. One, is that it's fair to say that we're well over the time period, and so I think there's a concern there,., but second, on the issue of scope, and you're certainly entitled to express an opinion, everybody around the table has an so Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman The CHAIRMAN. -I want to protect your right to do that. I think' what we need to do now, because this time period has run almost' twice what the normal one is Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman, all I'm trying to do, very simply, is get it all out, all of it. I'm simply asking-III ask the tough ques- tions of Mr. Altman. I'll ask the tough questions of Jean Hanson. I think you'd know that I would press that this investigation be as thorough as possible. I'm simply suggesting that there are other unanswered questions that, in light of the first time public testimony today, another White House knew of this and that this appeared to be a special case from day one. You want to know why, and that's all I'm suggesting in fairness. Both sides ought to get to the bottom of this. The CHAIRMAN. Let me just say to you, I have the same interest in these facts as you do, and I'm sure other Senators do as well. One of the problems we face here, as the Senator from Massachusetts knows, is that we're operating under a Senate resolution that defines very specifically what we are here to look at and so Senator KERRY. There is another phase. The CHAIRMAN. I understand and I- Senator KERRY. I want to guarantee that phase 2 is thorough.

August 1, 1994 - Part 4
Clip: 460146_1_1
Year Shot: 1994 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: Color
Tape Master: 10059
Original Film: 102867
HD: N/A
Location: Dirksen Senate Office Building
Timecode: -

(15:00:58)(Tape #10059 begins) My beliefs were based on his discussion that he would rely on the advice and recommendations given to him by Mr. Ryan and myself He was taking an unnecessary potential hit. Senator DomENici. There's an understandable reason for pressure to be on that person who recuses himself Ms. KULKA. I wasn't commenting on that, sir, and I haven't analyzed that. Senator DOMENICI. Let me ask, were you part of the briefing team for Roger Altman before he came to testify before us? Ms. KuLKA. Yes, sir. Senator DOMENICI. Could you tell us what date that was? Ms. KuLKA. There were a couple of dates. I think there may have been a short meeting at the end of the preceding week, and I know there were at least two meetings. I believe they were late Monday night and late Tuesday night of the week in which the bearing was actually held. Senator DOMENICI. Mr. Ryan, you were part of those, too? Mr. RYAN. Yes, sir. Senator DOMENICI. Do either of you know now or were you told when Mr. Altman came to testify before us---even though he had a note, which we have seen, that indicated what was talked about at the February 2, 1994, meeting, and one point on it was his recusing himself-do any of you have any information as to why he didn't tell us when he came before us on February 24, 1994? Has anything been said to you about that, any of you? Mr. RYAN. Not to me. Ms. KuLKA. No, sir. Senator DOMENICI. Did you understand at any point, Ms. Kulka, based on his conversations with you, that he was going to recuse himself'.? Ms. KULKA. No, sir, I did not know what be was going to do. Senator DOMENICI. He never indicated to you that be was? Ms. KULKA. No, sir. Senator DOMENICI. To you, Mr. Ryan? Mr. RYAN. No. As a matter of fact, be indicated he was not. Senator DOMENICI. Did be tell you where he got pressure from Pot to do that? He did not. Senator DOMENICI. Do you know who he talked to before be told that? Mr Ryan. No. No I don't. 80 Senator DomENici. When Mr. Altman came before us, before the Senate Committee, he indicated that the principal subject matter of the February 2, 1994, briefing did not include a discussion recusal. (15:03:30) (End of tape #10058) Are you familiar enough with that meeting to tell whether you remember it differently? Mr. Ryan. Are you referring to the meeting at the White House? Senator DomENici. Yes. Do you know anything about it them, or from any sources? Mr. RYAN. I know' nothing about it, other than what I've been told. Senator DOMENici. How about you, Ms. Kulka? Ms. Kulka. That's the same case for me, sir. Senator DomENici. When he came back, he did not discuss you what took place? Ms. Kulka. They did not discuss that it took place. Senator DomENici. Much less, what. Ms. Kulka. That's correct. Senator DOMENICI. I know we've covered this one way, in a sense, but I just want to offer my own observations. Some have been saying, "Well so what?" Even if all this insider information some of which should not have occurred, but even if it did, I guess White House Counselor-he says, in a basketball term, "No harm, no foul. " From the standpoint of violating a confidentiality, is it required, in your opinion, Mr. Roelle, that there be proven-that it actually' be proven that the confidential information was acted upon, or is it not a breach of confidentiality and ethics, as you know it, merely to divulge confidentialities? Mr. ROELLE. In the past today, Senator I have tried to refrain from making comments about what is legal in terms of criminality or what the legal interpretation of statutes regarding conflicts of interest have been because I don't believe I'm qualified. I will only say that criminal referrals are highly sensitive matters. They should not , in had judgment, be discussed outside of the agency. Rarely are they discussed, to my knowledge, unless it is with the FBI, the Justice Department, or another agency that is working with you in the processing of those criminal referrals.

1950 - Alamo - Plaque
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Year Shot: 1950 (Estimated Year)
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Original Film: 577-08
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Location: San Antonio, Texas, United States
Country: United States
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Plaque on the The Alamo reading "The Alamo, 1718, Mission Fortress."

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Memphis to Nashville (driving shots) Mostly shots of the road. Brief shot a courthouse/building at end.

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Capital building in Vermont

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Virginia

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Greenbrier Hotel

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Capitol - Richmond

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(Washington house ) Virginia

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