August 4, 1994 - Part 4
August 4, 1994 - Part 4
(12:40:37) Ms. WILLIAMS. What he brought, and not at that visit, there were two visits. The first was when he talked to me about the diary entries, and then maybe the next day he stopped by and he handed me an envelope that was marked "personal and confidential," and I'm not sure if it was taped in addition to being sealed, but it was sealed. Senator D'AMATO. And didn't he say to you, I brought a copy of this? MS. WILLIAMS. He may have said that. Senator D'AMATO. Didn't he say to you that the reason he was bringing this to you was because he was going to have to testify before Congress? Ms. WILLIAMS. I don't remember him saying that exactly, but I wouldn't challenge that if that's his recollection. Senator DAMATO. Tell me about the first conversation he had with you; that's when he initially came over to apologize? Ms. WILLIAMS. Well, that is when he initially came over to tell me about what he had written, yes, Sir. Senator D'AMATO. And was it-how long after that did he come to see you in person? He came, he came over the same day and he told you-he recounted to you the events that you have just described. You said to him basically, what? How did this come about? MS. WILLIAMS. Yes. I mean I was upset and I questioned him. I don't know exactly all I said, but it is fair to say that I was upset. Senator D'AMATO. Now you say there was a second time he came and he had this sealed envelope, and did he say that this is the-my recordings, my writings? Ms. WILLIAMS. He may have said that, yes. Senator DAMATO. I mean, you assumed that this is what he dropped off. Did he tell you he was going to drop it off to you at the first conversation? Ms. WILLIAMS. I don't recall. He may have. I don't recall, but he may have. Senator D'AMATO. When did this second visit take place, Ms. Williams? MS. WILLIAMS. I believe it was-I want to say it was the day after. Senator DAMATO. Shortly after then, a day or Ms. WILLIAMS. I don't believe it was the same day. I think it was the next day, perhaps. Senator D'AMATO. Now, he leaves this envelope with you, sealed. What did you do with the envelope? Ms. WILLIAMS. I walked into-he gave it to me in the foyer or the vestibule of my office, and I walked into my inner office and I tossed it in the trash. 327 Senator D'AMATO. Did he say anything to you when he came? Did he just-he just gave you this envelope? Did he say, was it just "here"? Did he say Maggie, this is what I recorded and I wanted you to have it? Ms. WILLIAMS. I believe he may have said something like that, but I'm not exactly sure, but the envelope was marked "personal and confidential," and it was sealed, and I believe that my assumption was that this was the Senator D'AMATO. You believed it was the recording, the diary. It would make sense. But let me ask you, when he came and spoke to you the first time, did he go over because he didn't have the diary with him then? Obviously he came back the second time to drop it off. Did he talk to you about the specific points? Did he tell you I said, for example, Maggie told me that Hillary Clinton was paralyzed and if we don't solve this within the next 2 days, you're not going to have to worry about a schedule? Did he tell you he said that? MS. WILLIAMS. I don't know if he told me that completely since he wasn't reading from anything, he was simply depending on his own recall to tell me, but you have to understand that, having discussed it with Mr. Cutler previously, I had some notion of what it was exactly. So that it could have been a situation where Mr. Altman told me the gist of what he had written and I was mentally filling in some of the gaps. Senator D'AMATO. Would it be fair for me to ask you to characterize your state of mind at that time? I know if something like this happened to me and I had a confidence, a confidence with a friend or a colleague and they recorded it, you know, we sometimes let whatever hair we have on our head down-you know, I don't have too much, very little and so we exchange a confidence with a friend that we never believe is going to be seen.