(TAPE 1) Sea lions sleeping on the beach Sea lions on the surf
(TAPE 1) 09:37:41 Young land iguana
(TAPE 1) Huge opuntia cactus
(TAPE 1) Male lava lizard
(TAPE 1) Mockingbird preening
(TAPE 1) Tourists and ships on santa fe
(TAPE 1) Caterpillars
(TAPE 1) 09:44:02 Big male sea lion 09:44:38 Sea lion close up 09:45:16 Sea lion scratches an itch 09:45:39 Herd of sea lions, 1 comes up on the beach 09:48:12 Big bull comes up on the beach to his harem 09:50:06 Sea lion, close 00:00:39 Young sea lion looking for his mother 00:03:00 Young sea lion coated with sand 00:06:18 Sea lion and tour boats 00:07:51 Big bull 00:10:13 Sea lion rubbing its eyes to chase away flies
(TAPE 1) Dwarf paintbrush in alpine ecuador
(TAPE 1) Flowers
Tape below was taken in headwaters, amazon river and ecuador
Leaf cutter ants Leaf cutter ants
(TAPE 1) 00:14:57 Flowers
(TAPE 1) Shelf bracket fungi, a jungle bird calls
(TAPE 1) 00.29.56 Flower 00:19:15 Liana vines 00.32.19 Flower
(TAPE 1) Leaf cutter ants
(TAPE 1) Flower
(TAPE 1) Going up the amazon river Clear - cutting in the jungle
(TAPE 1) Leaf cutter ants Leaf cutter ants, Cameraman interrupts their trail
(21:45:56) Senator ROTH. Yes, I don't have a copy of the memorandum. The CHAiRmAN. Do you mind, then, if I shift across here? Senator ROTH. We'll come back to that. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Kerry. Senator KERRY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Hanson, I want to ask you a couple of questions which are fairly direct, ultimately, but I want to get at them because I don't want to leave this for conjecture within the Committee and, certainly, with the press. I think we need to try to understand it completely. You say you viewed a tape at some point. Is that correct? Ms. HANSON. Of the hearing? Senator KERRY. Yes. Ms. HANSON. I viewed only the portion that included two questions asked by Senator Bond. Senator KERRY. Why is it that you only viewed that particular portion? Ms. HANSON. Because there was a call, as has been alluded to, a call from Mr. Podesta to Mr. Altman, and Mr. Altman called me to his office and said he bad heard, from Mr. Podesta, that there was a concern about the way he had responded to two questions of Senator Bond. As I said, we didn't have the transcript Senator KERRY. I understand that, but one of the questions, that Mr. Podesta was concerned about, was one of the questions that Senator Gramm asked about contacts. Correct? Ms. HANSON. I was not given that information by Mr. Altman, sir. Senator KERRY. You were told what? Ms. HANSON. Only-I was only asked questions about Senator Bond. Senator KERRY. About Ms. HANSON. About Senator Bond's questions. Senator KERRY. This is on March 1, 1994. Correct? Ms. HANSON. To my recollection, yes. Senator KERRY. In previous testimony, I think in answer to Senator Gramm you said that you're absolutely positive that Mr. Altman directed you to go to the White House. Correct? Ms. HANSON. That s my recollection, sir. Senator KERRY. How many times had you been to the White House on business previously. 172 Ms. HANSON. On business previously? I can't give you an exact count, but it was not many. Senator KERR. Had you ever gone over there alone to meet with Mr. Nussbaum? Ms. HANSON. As I sit here, I don't recall that I had, sir. Senator KERRY. I assume it would stand out in your memory, as a new lawyer in Washington, that you'd been directed to go over to the White House within a short span of time. You would remember if you had been to visit with Mr. Nussbaum. Ms. HANSON. I'm sorry, I don't understand your question. Senator KERRY. I said, I assume it would stand out in your memory. A visit to the White House to meet with Mr. Nussbaum, within a matter of months, would not be something that you could confuse or forget. Ms. HANSON. Recollections aren't perfect, but Senator KERRY. Do you recall going to the White House and seeing Mr. Nussbaum? MS. HANSON. Absolutely I do, sir. Senator KERRY. There's no question in your mind that you recall that? Ms. HANSON. There's no question in my mind. Senator KERRY. The reason I ask is when I look at this working document that came out of your computer, the first four sentences in it-let me read from the testimony before the Committee on page 69 of the Committee record: Senator BOND: How is the White House notified of the referral? On your working document: Senator BOND: How was the White House notified of the referral? Next, reading from the Committee record, Mr. Altman answers: They were not notified by the RTC, to the best of my knowledge. On your working document: They were not notified by the RTC, to the best of my knowledge. Next question from the record of the Committee: Senator BOND: Nobody in your agency, to your knowledge, advised the White House staff this could be a major source of concern? On your working document: Senator BOND: Nobody in your agency, to your knowledge, advised the White House staff this was going to be a major-this could be a major source of concern? Mr. Altman's answer, Not to my knowledge," totally corresponds to his answer in the Committee record. All of a sudden, there was this departure, which you have described as a working document for your memory. I must say to you, as I read this, I am really dumb struck by the number of answers you give to proposed questions. It's as if you were working through this testimony in a way that you could correct it for the Committee, trying to find what is correct but, in fact, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight fundamental issues of memory are wrong. Ms. HANSON. Sir, I don't have the document in front of me and I don't know Senator KERRY. I can get a copy. MS. HANSON. -and I don't know what you're referring' to,
(21:50:28) 173 Senator KERRY. I am referring to your working document that came out of your file, which was on your computer, in which you asked yourself a question, "Was anyone else present," and, then, gave yourself the answer, "I believe Cliff Sloan another White House attorney, was there." This was a lawyer--to--lawyer conversation You, asking your own question to yourself. Question: What else did you tell him? Answer: I don't recall I told him anything else. Do you remember that document? Ms. HANSON. Could I have a copy of the document, if you're going to question me on it? Senator KERRY. It's number 4466 and 4467, Exhibit 19. Senator GAMM. What was the date on that, do you know? Senator FERRY. It is a March 1, 1994, document, and it comes out of the computer file. Do we have a copy of it? Do you recognize that now? Ms. HANSON. I don't recall ever seeing the document, in this format, before. Senator KERRY. Do you recall writing these questions to youself? pretty fundamental stuff. This is on March 1, 1994. On This is pre your computer, you're sitting there asking yourself questions which are really a play right off of the Committee. This occurs one day before a letter comes to this Committee, supposedly correcting the record, and two days before Special Counsel Fiske issued a subpoena for all records. As I react this, you ask yourself a question: Question: Who in the Treasury or the RTC knew you had this conversation? Your own answer to yourself, just months before this happening, you say: Answer: I don't recall I told anyone of the conversation. We now know that's not true. You did tell somebody. You told Mr. Altman. Ms. HANSON. Which I still don't recall, but my September 30, 1993, memorandum reflects that I did, that I got back to him. Senator KERRY. You don't recall that you told him that? Ms. HANSON. This is the question Senator KERRY. You do recall that you were asked to have the conversation, because you testified to Senator Gramm that indeed, you never would have gone to the White House if you hadn' been asked. Correct? Ms. HANSON. What I've said is-if I could clarify, please--I wouldn't have spoken with Mr. Nussbaum, about this kind of information, without having been authorized to do so. I did not, however, just so I can clarify, go to the White House to see Mr, Nussbaum on this issue. I went to the White House for a prebriefing, of Mr. Nussbaum and some other people, on the Treasury report on the Waco situation, which was going to be released the following day. So, it was a brief conversation following a meeting on Senator KERRY. I understand that, but in fact, according to the depositions, you bad been asked to call Mr. Nussbaum. You did call Mr. Nussbaum. Mr. Nussbaum was not in. You left a message, so were trying to reach him. You then went to the White he knew you we House. You took advantage of the meeting. You pulled him aside afterwards, and you informed him and, then, wrote a memorandum to Mr. Altman that you had informed him. 174 Here, in your own answers to yourself, not coincidentally, I suspect, at the same time that Mr. Altman sends his first correction to this Committee, you're saying to yourself, "No, you didn't no." No one asked you to have this conversation. You're saying that you had little to add because you knew nothing more about the issue and that you weren't involved in the handling of the press, which is absolutely untrue, because you've testified here all day that you were there to help them deal with the press. So you've got-I'm incredulous that the Counsel to the Treasury is writing herself a series of questions and answers which are so incorrect, so contrary to the testimony, and which flow almost as if you're setting yourself up to take the fall for Mr. Altman or to provide some series of answers that, then, got cut short because of the transference of events. Ms. HANSON. If I could explain, sir. Senator KERRY. That's why I The CHAIRMAN. Before you do--and I'm going to have you explain it. The time has expired. Senator DAmato has said that he'd like Senator Kerry to finish this, so well make that allowance. Why don't you go ahead and give your response. Senator DAMATO. If I might, Ms. Hanson, I have to tell you Senator Kerry has struck with this Senator a very, very responsive chord. I think you ought to think about how that memo came about. What were you trying to do when you were preparing that memo? I stop, I yield there, because it really raises a question in my mind. The CHAIRMAN. You were about to respond, so why don't you go ahead.
19:20:56 Male and female Harlequin ducks preening 19:21:16 Male Harlequin ducks preening 19:22:21 Male and female Harlequin ducks go into water and back out 19:22:48 Male Harlequin duck 19:23:05 Female Harlequin duck 19:23:41 Male Harlequin duck yawning 19:24:09 Male and female duck yawning 19:25:03 Male and female duck going into water, swimming off, going upstream 19:25:54 Male and female duck feeding and resting 19:26:13 Male duck feeding and resting
19:38:51 Male Barrow's Golden eye duck swimming and preening Male and female Barrow's Golden eye ducks copulating and bathing Male and female Barrow's Golden eye ducks stretching and scratching Male and female Barrow's Golden eye ducks in fast water
Male Lesser Scaup duck Ducks resting during migration north Male and female Lesser Scaup ducks