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Kitchen &dining room ON PREVIEW CASSETTE 98838
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973
[00.59.41] Senator ERVIN. And that happened on June 19? Mr. REISNER. Yes, sir. Senator ERVIN. When were You first interviewed by the prosecuting attorney Mr. Silbert,? Mr. REISNER. I met Mr. Silbert for the first time on April 8 of this Year. Senator ERVIN. And did you make a statement to him substantially what you have made to the committee today? Mr. REISNER. Yes, sir. It was not on April 8 that I made this statement. As a matter of fact, I had completely forgotten that action. You are speaking of' the shredding of that document or the Gemstone? Senator ERVIN. Just generally speaking. Mr. REISNER. Generally speaking, shredding that document, by remembered for the first, time when I read that Mr. Gray had shredded a document and I simply realized that there was a similarity there. Senator ERVIN. When were you subpenaed to go before the, grand jury? Mr. REISNER. On April 8. It was at a subsequent meeting with Mr. Silbert that I described that, document to him. It Was in a previous appearance before the grand jury that I described virtually all that I have described here today, Senator ERVIN. Did you talk to Mr. Silbert before you talked to this committee staff? Mr. REISNER. Yes, sir. Senator ERVIN. Were you subpenaed before the grand jury before you talked to the staff of this committee? Mr. Reisner To be precise, on March 30. your staff subpenaed me, which was the first time I had heard from an investigatory body. I met with two of your investigators on that Friday. The subpena was canceled. I believe, Mr. Chairman, you were out of town and returned and the nature of the proceeding changed. Subsequently, I was subpenaed by the grand jury and appeared there. Senator ERVIN. Now, did you receive a, phone call or any communciation from Mr. Magruder after you were subpenaed to go before the grand jury or before our committee? Mr. REISNER. Yes, sir; on that Friday, which was, I believe, March 30. Actually, it was in the newspaper before I knew what was going to happen. I read in the newspaper that morning that I was to be subpenaed Senator ERVIN. What did Mr. Magruder ask you to do? Mr. REISNER. He asked me to get together with him, He called me at home and asked me to get together with him that morning. He asked me whether he could take me to work. I indicated that I didn't think that was appropriate, because I presumed that the reason I was being subpenaed before this committee was to discuss Mr. Magruder; therefore, I didn't think it was appropriate for us to meet. He then called me again that morning to urge a meeting. I suggested there should be a third person there. 'We set a meeting. Then I chose not to attend the meeting. I wanted to be firm about not meeting' with him. Senator ERVIN. Did he say anything to you in either of those conversations about meeting with a Paul O'Brien? Mr. Reisner Yes, sir; the nature of that was this, as I understand it. I indicated to him that, if we were going to meet, there should be a third person there. He said, well, we will have to find someone. How about if we find either Paul O'Brien or Ken Parkinson, who were counsel to the committee? I said that that would be acceptable, but subsequently called O'Brien at 11 o'clock that morning and said that I didn't think it was appropriate to get together with the man about whom I was going to be asked to testify. Mr. O'Brien agreed with that and said that he understood completely and there was no problem. [01.03.10--TAPE OUT]
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973
[00.41.54] Senator GURNEY. Did Mr. Liddy spend a great deal of time with Mr. Magruder? Mr. REISNER. No- he, would have met with him, on several occasions, but not a great deal of time. Senator GURNEY. Did anybody from the White House contact YOU at any time after June, 17 and counsel you about any testimony You might be giving? Mr. REISNER. No, sir; I was never contacted by anybody in the Committee, or at the White House. Senator GURNEY. There were FBI interviews, as I understand, of Many personnel of the Committee To Re-Elect the President after June 17. Were you interviewed by the, FBI? Mr. REISNER. No, sir; I wasn't. Senator GURNEY. Are you aware of such interviews? Mr. REISNER. Oh, yes, There would sometimes be 10 or 15 FBI agents that would come to the office simultaneously. Senator GURNEY. There have been charges made, by some that the committee To Re-Elect, the President, did not cooperate with the FBI. can you shed any light on that? Mr. REISNER. No, sir. I think that there has been a news story saying that some of the agents may have resented the presence foreign Counsel at those interviews. I was aware that there was counsel sitting in on the interviews. But I testified as to anything else, I am not aware of anything else there, Senator GURNEY, But it would be your recollection that there was cooperation? Mr. REISNER. There was an extraordinary number or interviews, that was my impression. But I don't know anything more than that. Senator GURNEY. You mentioned reports and memos that went to the White House from your office. Did Mr. Magruder report directly at all to anybody in the White House regularly? Mr. REISNER. Well, concerning certain activities that took place in the campaign, there were individuals at the White House who were primarily concerned with those and Mr. Magruder would have unquestionably discussed things with those people just because they were the ones who were responsible for them. As to whether he reported to him, Mr. Magruder worked for Mr. Mitchell and Mr. MacGregor and the reporting relationship was one of coordination rather than reporting. Senator GURNEY. You mentioned a phone call in some detail That you had with Mr. Magruder on June 17. Did you have any other phone calls with anybody in California on that date? Mr. REISNER. No, sir. Senator GURNEY. That was the only one? Mr. REISNER. Yes, sir. [00.44.35--LEHRER in studio] LEHRER states there will be more questions for REISNER about operations of the Committee to Re-Elect the President (CRP) [PBS Network ID] [title screen "SENATE HEARINGS ON CAMPAIGN ACTIVITIES"] [LEHRER introduces Sen. MONTOYA'S questions for REISNER.] [00.47.26--in to committee room] Senator ERVIN. Senator Montoya. Senator MONTOYA. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to apologize for not being here during the course of the testimony, but we did have two rollcall votes and I had to be at two other meetings. Mr. Reisner, as administrative assistant to Mr. Jeb Magruder, you, of course, knew who he was going to meet everyday while you were there; is that correct? Mr. REISNER. I would say approximately, yes, sir. [00.47.58]