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August 4, 1994 - Part 8
(17:55:53) Mr. ICKES. I think in hindsight, Senator, there is no question that we should have, Mr. Stephanopoulos and I should have contacted Counsel's Office, but again I want to be within the, I think, both the letter and the spirit of the memorandum. But again I want to emphasize that the purpose of the phone call was to verify whether or not he'd recused himself so that we could respond accurately and quickly to the press in that regard. Senator ROTH. Again, let me ask you, was there any effort made to educate White House staff members about the requirements of this memorandum? Mr. ICKES. I didn't join the White House staff Senator until January. I don't know when that memorandum was circulated. I know that when I came to the White House staff, a copy of it was given to me. I don't know what steps in general were taken. Senator ROTH. A copy was given you when you were first employed? Mr. ICKES. Yes. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Sir, if I may. I don't have the Nussbaum memorandum in front of me, but I would just like to clarify. I'm not certain that this was an investigative or an adjudicative matter that required the clearance. I would say in the future it would also always be prudent to get that clearance and clearly in hindsight, it would have helped to have talked to the Counsel first. But I do believe seeking this information was entirely proper. Remember, this was a discussion that began with discussing what Mr. Altman was saying to the press about the recusal. It was not dealing specifically with the investigative or the adjudicative system. And second, it was a question about how Jay Stephens came to be hired. Again I'm not certain, I do not have the memorandum in front of me. I can say, as I said to you earlier, that clearly talking to the Counsel first would be prudent and would be smart. And it would probably have been better had we done it, but I'm not certain, if you are talking about the letter of the guidelines, how that falls. But that's simply a point that can be clarified by looking at them. Senator KERRY. Senator Roth, let me say that we're already over by a minute or so. I don't want to cut you off, like the Chairman did, but I just want Senator ROTH. I want to point out that I think the memorandum is very clear and there are no exceptions to its requirements and of course it was written for non-lawyers, so I do not think it is particularly technical. So I agree with you that this is in conflict with the requirements of the Nussbaum memorandum. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator KERRY. Senator Campbell. Senator CAMPBELL. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 392 Mr. Lindsey, it's my understanding you said you told President Clinton about the press inquiries on the Madison referrals; is that correct? Mr. LINDSEY. Yes, sir. Senator CAMPBELL. That was after the call on October 4th from Jim Lyons in Denver. Mr. LINDSEY. That's correct. Senator CAMPBELL. Did the President have any reaction, or did he instruct you to take any action or not to take any action or to do anything? Mr. LINDSEY. No, he did not instruct me to do anything, didn't ask me to do anything, didn't suggest I do anything. And I didn't do anything. Senator CAMPBELL. Also, you testified at one point that when Roger Altman came to the White House to say that he had decided not to recuse himself, some people congratul ated him. We've had different, conflicting testimony about the reaction to his decision to recuse himself As a Senior Adviser to the President, did you feel any responsibility to encourage him to do so or to not do so? Mr. LINDSEY. Well, first of all, I don't think that's my testimony. I was not in the meeting when Roger came to the White House, so I have no idea what happened. Senator CAMPBELL. My notes may be in error, thanks, I appreciate that. Mr. Stephanopoulos, Mr. Steiner describes in his diary rather descriptively and vividly your phone call with him. You don't remember it that way and didn't recollect saying anything like we should get rid of him, talking about Mr. Stephens. But you have said that you were blowing off steam. Do you remember any specific things you did say in that conversation dealing with Mr. Stephens?
August 4, 1994 - Part 8
(18:00:15) Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. It was a very brief conversation, sir, but what I do remember as, I said earlier, was I know that I asked how Jay Stephens came to be hired and I was very angry about it. And I mean, since I'm under oath I can admit I'm still angry about it. I'm mystified at how Jay Stephens, who is such a public opponent of the President, a man who had accused the President of obstruction of Justice, a man who along with 93 other U.S. Attorneys had his resignation asked for and instead of accepting it like all the other 93 U.S, Attorneys, went on a public attack against the President. A man who is using fundraising letters, the lure of disclosing Grand Jury testimony in fundraising letters. A man who had been accused of disclosing Grand Jury testimony in public. I thought that that was just unfair to the President. I couldn't understand how he could have been hired by an impartial board to prosecute this case. And I was very angry about it, I'm still angry about it. Senator CAMPBELL. Well, I believe as Senator Bryan does, that's certainly understandable. Did the President and the First Lady have any concerns Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I didn't discuss this with them. Senator CAMPBELL. They never asked you to call the Treasury Department about him or asked you to put any pressure on anyone Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. No, sir, they did not. 393 Senator CAMPBELL [continuing], To remove him from the Madison investigation; correct? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. No, sir, Senator CAMPBELL. Mr. Podesta, I know what a Secretary does. I know what an Assistant Secretary does. And I know what an Under Secretary does. But I'm not quite sure what a Staff Secretary does. Would you tell me what is your role at the White House, please? I mean, I read part of your job description, it says something about controlling the paper flow to the President. Mr. PODESTA. That's pretty accurate, Senator. I think that in many agencies, the role is described as the Executive Secretary. Any paper, memoranda, et cetera, that are coming into the President are forwarded through my office. I coordinate senior staff response to that and forward it to the President and take care of it when it comes back out from him. Senator CAMPBELL. Well, how did you get stuck with making a call to Mr. Altman? Is that also part of the job description, the mail and the calls, too? Mr. PODESTA. I ask myself that question quite often, Senator. I think that in the context of the-my assignment from Mr, McLarty, as I said which was limited, but I had the assignment of watching this hearing and then in the wake of the meeting we held in my office and perhaps in- particularly, I'm having a little trouble with the mike and seeing you also. Perhaps particularly because one of the issues was of such personal concern to Mr. Nussbaum which is how the meeting was set up, I think it just-I drew the straw and as I said, I was there not only with Mr. Lindsey but with four members of the White House Counsel staff, but we agreed that I would be tasked to do it and I did it. Senator CAMPBELL. "We agreed," meaning who? Mr. PODESTA. Mr. Nussbaum, Mr. Mein, Mr. Eggleston, Mr. Sloan, Mr. Lindsey and myself Senator CAMPBELL. We also heard a lot about the discussions among the White House staff about correcting Mr. Altman's February 2nd testimony. Did anyone argue for not correcting them or postponing correcting them or anything of that nature? Mr. PODESTA. The February 24th testimony? Senator CAMPBELL. Yes. Mr. PODESTA. Quite the contrary. I think it was a strong concern that the testimony be corrected and be corrected promptly. Senator CAMPBELL. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will yield the rest of my time. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Campbell. Senator Faircloth, Senator FAIRCLOTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Ickes, on March Ist, you forwarded a memo to Hillary Clinton regarding the Resolution Trust Corporation. You attached a copy of a February 17th FDIC report about possible conflicts of interest regarding the Rose Law Firm, Hillary Clinton's old law firm, representing the FDIC against Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan. We were given that confidential document to prepare for this hearing. I was interested in it for several reasons, well, one was I was mentioned in it. But Mrs. Clinton worked for the Rose Law Firm before her husband was elected 394 President. She says there was no conflict of interest even though she represented Madison Guaranty before it was closed, then her law firm represented the FDIC against Madison Guaranty_ against Madison Guaranty after it was closed. So my question is this, why would White House staff send Hillary Clinton a memo about something that happened before she was the First Lady and about something in which they say and she says nothing is wrong? Mr. ICKES. It's not clear, Senator, that that memorandum
August 4, 1994 - Part 8
(18:10:26) Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Lindsey. Mr. LINDSEY. Yes, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. 1 believe you said earlier that you are originally from Arkansas; is that right? Mr. LINDSEY. Yes, sir, I am. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Before coming to Arkansas, how long had you lived there? I mean, before coming to Washington, excuse me, how long had you lived in Arkansas? Mr, LINDSEY. I was born and raised in Arkansas. I went to undergraduate school in Memphis. I then came to Washington as a Legislative Assistant to Senator Fulbright and to attend law school. I went back to Arkansas in 1975. Senator FAIRCLOTH. How many years were you in Arkansas? Mr. LINDSEY. Well, I mean, I've lived in Washington and Arkansas. I lived in Arkansas from 1975 until 1979 when I moved back to Washing-ton. I moved back to Arkansas in 1981 and lived there until 1993 when I joined the Clinton Administration. Senator FAIRCLOTH, How long have you known Bill Clinton? Mr. LINDSEY. I met him in 1968. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Lindsey, The Washington Post describes your role in the Clinton Administration in the following terms, and I quote, "Lindsey is like the plumber who fixes the faucet when the family is at work and slips the key back through the mail slot. No one saw him, but the problem is gone." Now, I certainly believe Senator KERRY. Where can I find that kind of plumber? Senator FAIRCLOTH. I believe that was intended and certainly is a favorable description of your effectiveness in the Administration. You would agree with that I hope? Mr. LINDSEY. I'm not sure I understood what it meant when I read it. 396 Senator FAIRCLOTH. Do you at times handle press inquiries relat-ing to matters in Arkansas involving President Clinton? Mr. LINDSEY. Yes, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. When was the first time you heard of the RTC investigation into Madison Guaranty? Mr. LINDSEY. Well, I guess the first time was in 1979 [19891 when they brought lawsuit against Jim McDougal. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Who brought the lawsuit against Mr. McDougal? Mr. LINDSEY. The Justice Department did. Senator FAIRCLOTH. You've been familiar with it from day 1 pretty much? Mr. LINDSEY, Again, being from Arkansas, I was aware that Jim McDougal was tried and acquitted. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Lindsey, are you aware of any communication between anyone at the White House and anyone at the Justice Department regarding press inquiries relating to the Resolution Trust Corporation criminal referral? Senator DODD. Mr. Chairman, I just-on a scope, is this The CHAIRMAN. I'm waiting for Senator FAIRCLOTH. This is before the September 29th "headsup" meeting. The CHAIRMAN. I was waiting for Senator Faircloth to finish his question here. Senator FAIRCLOTH. That would be The CHAIRMAN. I think the problem we have with that as well is when we get into the issue of Justice Department activity that's still under inquiry by Mr. Fiske, that is sort of screened off from us at this point, that that would fall into that prohibited area. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Chairman, this was a press inquiry. I didn't ask about-regarding press inquiries relating to the RTC criminal referral before September 29th. This is not White House. This is press. The CHAIRMAN. But did I understand you to say it was a contact of the Justice Department? Senator FAIRCLOTH. I'll read it again. The CHAIRMAN. Excuse me, I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just trying to understand. Senator FAIRCLOTH. That's right. Are you aware of any communication between anyone at the White House and anyone at the Justice Department regarding press inquiries relating to the RTC criminal referral before the September 29th "heads- up" meeting? The CHAIRMAN. Here, if I may say, the problem is not the subject of a press inquiry which would appear to be innocuous. It's the issue of a contact to the Justice Department and that area is still under active review by the Special Prosecutor and that's why question in that area Senator DODD. Independent Counsel. The CHAIRMAN. I meant to say Independent Counsel. That's why that area for the time being is fenced off. We'll get into that at a later time, but we can't at this time. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Chairman, I'll make a trade with you, I'll withdraw the question if you'll give me my time back. 397 The CHAIRMAN. Yes, I will. Senator DODD. Don't use that as a tactic all the time. [Laughter.] Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Lindsey, I believe up until January or so you headed the White House Office of Personnel; is that correct? Mr, LINDSEY. Until November 1993, 1 was Director of the Office of Presidential Personnel. Senator FAIRCLOTH. The Washington Post reported that you helped the President pick, and I quote, "legal talent," Mr. LINDSEY. I still deal with judges, U.S. Attorneys, and Marshals.
Sports: Run For The Roses
Sports: Run For The Roses An eight-to-one shot, coming from nowhere in the stretch, outruns four other horses to take the (88th running) Kentucky Derby in record time. "Decidedly" clips a full second from "Whirlaway's" 1941 record. Crowds milling around. CU sign with horse shoe reads DERBY 1962. Three women seated in lawn chairs, wear hats. Woman speaking - no sound - with drink in hand. Willie Hardtack, number 5 on sleeve. Eddie R. Carole ? signing autographs. View from upper deck of starting gate. CU hand on lever, thumb pushes down, bell sound (audio). Horses run out of gate. Man looking through binoculars. Two older men in crowd wear hats and sunglasses, waving on horses behind fence. Man slaps paper in hand, after losing race, (disappointment) woman standing next to him with turban hat and glasses seems to laugh at outcome. Horse and jockey (wearing number 3) in winners circle.
August 4, 1994 - Part 8
(18:15:04) Senator FAIRCLOTH. As you may be aware, Roger Altman testified before us Tuesday and one of the items discussed was his diary, as he has called it, or a scrapbook of historical significance. After a meeting with Maggie Williams, Hillary Clinton's Chief of Staff, on January 11th, Mr. Altman wrote that he had gotten the impression the White House was actively trying to negotiate officials at the Justice Department the scope and jurisdiction of what a Special Counsel could look into. This, of course, was prior to the appointment of the Special Counsel. The point being that after months of opposing the appointment of a Special Counsel, the Clintons were finally about to succumb to the growing political pressure and to ask the Attorney General to appoint a Special Counsel, but not until they first tried to limit what he could look into. Mr. Fiske, did you-Mr. Lindsey rather., did you talk with Robert Fiske prior to his appointment as Special Counsel? Mr. LINDSEY. No, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH, Did you talk with Bernard Nussbaum about Mr. Fiske before his appointment as Special Counsel? Mr. LINDSEY. I don't believe so. I think I had heard that Mr. Fiske's name had been mentioned as a possible candidate, but I don't believe Senator FAIRCLOTH. This is an important question: Did you talk with Bernard Nussbaum about Robert Fiske prior to his appointment as Special Counsel? Mr. LINDSEY. Again, I think I had heard that Mr. Fiske's name was one of the names being mentioned, Bernie and I may have talked about that, but we didn't talk in any detail about it, it was simply a discussion about the newspaper accounts. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Did you talk with anyone at the Justice Department concerning jurisdiction or scope of the Special Counsel? Mr. LINDSEY. No, sir, I did not and I do not know of anyone in the White House who did. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Thank you. And thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Sarbanes, do I understand (18:17:02)(tape #10093 ends)
August 4, 1994 - Part 9
(18:13:13)(tape #10094 begins) that is sort of screened off from us at this point, that that would fall into that prohibited area. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Chairman, this was a press inquiry. I didn't ask about-regarding press inquiries relating to the RTC criminal referral before September 29th. This is not White House. This is press. The CHAIRMAN. But did I understand you to say it was a contact of the Justice Department? Senator FAIRCLOTH. I'll read it again. The CHAIRMAN. Excuse me, I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just trying to understand. Senator FAIRCLOTH. That's right. Are you aware of any communication between anyone at the White House and anyone at the Justice Department regarding press inquiries relating to the RTC criminal referral before the September 29th "heads- up" meeting? The CHAIRMAN. Here, if I may say, the problem is not the subject of a press inquiry which would appear to be innocuous. It's the issue of a contact to the Justice Department and that area is still under active review by the Special Prosecutor and that's why question in that area Senator DODD. Independent Counsel. The CHAIRMAN. I meant to say Independent Counsel. That's why that area for the time being is fenced off. We'll get into that at a later time, but we can't at this time. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Chairman, I'll make a trade with you, I'll withdraw the question if you'll give me my time back. 397 The CHAIRMAN. Yes, I will. Senator DODD. Don't use that as a tactic all the time. [Laughter.] Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Lindsey, I believe up until January or so you headed the White House Office of Personnel; is that correct? Mr, LINDSEY. Until November 1993, 1 was Director of the Office of Presidential Personnel. Senator FAIRCLOTH. The Washington Post reported that you helped the President pick, and I quote, "legal talent," Mr. LINDSEY. I still deal with judges, U.S. Attorneys, and Marshals.
Cheering crowd
crowd cheering at night
Golden ground squirrel
Golden ground squirrel
Squirrel or Chipmunk looking out from inside...
Squirrel or Chipmunk looking out from inside tree watching rain and smoke
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Zoom into individual squirrels
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Chipmunk in snow
Flying squirrel
Flying squirrel
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Misc small animals
Golden ground squirrel
Golden ground squirrel
Squirrel eating nuts on hand
Squirrel eating nuts on hand
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Marmot or ground squirrel
Ground squirrel - baby bird
Ground squirrel - baby bird
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Baby squirrel in tree
Animals in forest fire
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Chickadee (Red Squirrel)
Chickadee (Red Squirrel)
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2 Squirrels