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July 20, 1995 - Part 3
(11:35:20) Mr. HINES. I would characterize it as unusual in our normal experiences, but, again, it's unusual for us to go to the White House and make that type of investigation. Senator SHELBY, Did you wonder if they had something to hide in those papers there? Mr. HINES. I just wondered why we didn't have any cooperation because we were only looking for limited information about why Mr. Foster would commit suicide, was there anything on his mind that might tend to have him take his own life. Senator SHELBY. But it was unusual procedure that was going on and it gave you reason to question what was going on, really? Mr. HINES. That was our perception. Senator SHELBY. OK. Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Sarbanes. Senator SARBANES. Senator Dodd. Senator DODD. Thank you, Senator. I'll take a few minutes then turn to counsel. First, let me thank all three of you. You've been before us before. You begin to wonder, I suppose, what your careers are. I suppose you spend a great deal of time just on this and there's a great deal of respect that all of us have for the jobs you have to do. Certainly, you probably didn't anticipate on that day in July two years ago that you'd be spending this much time going back and recounting events and details of those several days. So I thank you immensely for the time you dedicated to this and the effort that you've made to share with this Committee and others your recollections. I understand, and I appreciate immensely your jobs and your training and what you've got to do. Obviously, none of you knew Mr. Foster, I presume, before, you didn't know the family. You get a report the afternoon of July 20, 1993, late afternoon, and you respond to it, Sergeant Braun and Investigator Rolla, and you are doing your job, in effect. I wonder if you might, because I think it gets to the heart of what we're talking about here-you've got your job to do as investigators and we're trying to determine motivations and so forth, intents of people. The accusation is, in effect, by some that there was a corrupt intent here to somehow deprive investigators, you and others, of doing your job. That's the assumption some people have drawn. Others are saying they're not sure about that, it doesn't look that way necessarily. You are dealing with a traumatic event, here and the people were acting in a rather human way given the circumstances. We're asking you, in a sense, to try to shed some light on this, and there will be those who will obviously try to get' you to characterize these situations so that it reinforces the argument that there was some intent in that regard. I wonder if you might be able to step back a little bit and let me begin with you, Sergeant Braun and Mr. Rolla, Are you an officer, Mr. Rolla? I didn't get your- Mr. ROLLA. Detective. Senator DODD. Detective. I'm sorry. Give us a feel for this. Obviously, You ' re being very analytical, your reports require you to do 175 so, just what the facts are, the times, the dates and what people say. I guess I should, first of all, begin by asking both of you, have you ever been involved in a suicide situation in the past? Ms. BRAUN, Yes. Senator DODD. You have, Sergeant? Ms. BRAUN, Yes. Senator DODD. So you've had some familiarity with how people react. You've had to notify a family? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, I've done notifications. Senator DODD. What normally happens? What are people like when you do that? MS. BRAUN. They're initially very upset, and then they are very inquisitive as to what happened, did the people suffer, things like that. Senator DODD. That was the case here when you went to the Foster home and, Mr. Rolla, as you say-and I appreciate entirely your job there at that point, taught and trained to go in and have to break that news- that's the toughest thing you have to do. Did Mrs. Foster and her family react in a predictable way? Mr. ROLLA. Very predictable. Traumatic. Senator DODD, Cried? Mr. ROLLA. Crying, screaming, collapsing. Senator DODD. You were there how long? About an hour; is that right? Mr. ROLLA. About an hour. Senator DODD. Hour, hour and a half, something like that? Ms. BRAUN. Hour, hour and 10 minutes. Mr. ROLLA. We got there at 10 p.m. and we cleared at 11.10, according to reports. Senator DODD. In the space of that time, it's a handful of people as you arrived and the crowd begins to gather, as I understand; is that correct? Mr. ROLLA. No other people arrived, other than the President, once we originally got there that I'm aware of. Senator DODD. So it was just, so just Ms. BRAUN. They arrived-the group arrived upon our heels of going up into the doorway, and that's the only group that came other than the President, who arrived at about 11 p.m. Senator DODD. OK. Did you talk to each individual person there, however limited, for a few minutes or less than that?
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July 20, 1995 - Part 3
(11:40:20) Mr. ROLLA. Some people were not approachable. We tried to talk to different people. We talked to-I think we talked briefly to both sisters. I had more of a rapport with Mrs. Foster, so I talked to her. Cheryl talked to Laura, the daughter. The sons weren't home. We talked to Mr, Watkins. Other than that, we didn't talk to anyone else there. Senator DODD. But their responses and actions were not out of the ordinary in your experience-maybe, again, I'll focus this on you, Ms. Braun--in your experience in dealing with that reluctance to talk, being grief stricken, highly emotional, this is a normal pattern, you were not necessarily surprised by how people were reacting? Ms. BRAUN. I think we were, a little bit, in that it was so businesslike and in that nobody seemed-that this was a complete sur- 176 prise to everybody, and I don't think in a suicide that is a normal-- suicide isn't normally a complete surprise to the family. I feel that-and this is my own personal opinion-that there might have been a little bit of damage control going on, in that this could have possibly been an embarrassing situation for the White House arid so they were reluctant to let us know that, yes, Mr. Foster had been depressed. Things could have been a lot simpler if they had just been up front with us from the beginning, yes, he was depressed, yes, I gave him the names of psychiatrists. We didn't get that information. Senator DODD. That's a conclusion you drew as-have you done suicide investigations -of high-ranking officials in other positions or people of note? Ms. BRAUN. No, I have not. Senator DODD. So there's nothing to compare that with necessarily. It's just a feeling Ms, BRAUN. As I said, it's my personal opinion. Senator DODD. How about you, Mr. Rolla? Mr. ROLLA. I agree with her. One of the things is we didn't want so many people there at one time. We believe in. bringing a close friend, a pastor, somebody, a relative, to help comfort because we certainly didn't want anyone to be alone during this time. But, as I stated before, there comes a time after the initial grief-it's a shock or whatever-that there's information exchanged. They want to know things from us and we get things from them that help us. Depending on the type of case, it's a death investigation where expediency of the information is very important and whether-of course this was all looking like a suicide, leaning that way from the very beginning, but it would have been-we needed to know was he receiving-was there anything out of the ordinary. Was he getting death threats or threatening letters or what. Again, was he depressed, was there some reason to believe that. Overall, I understand people in that-with everyone there, I think maybe there was reluctance on Mrs. Foster's part to talk to us maybe out of embarrassment, not wanting to talk in front of other people. Senator DODD. Do you know what Mrs. Foster's religion is? Mr. ROLLA. I believe they're Catholic. Senator DODD. Were you aware of that at the time? Ms. BRAUN. No. Mr. ROLLA. No. Senator DODD. Let me just mention that that can be a factor as well, given the whole notion of suicide and people of Catholic faith in terms of their views of suicide. Did it occur to you that that might be a part of the thinking as well? Mr. ROLLA. I'm Catholic and if it's embarrass-it occurred to me that it might be embarrassing in front of all those other people. He killed himself. The family isn't going to deal with that with God; he is, as far as their religion is concerned. So in terms of embarrassment, maybe with several other people showing up at that time, maybe she felt less like talking to us about certain things. That's why I like not to go with so many people. Senator DODD. You would understand that? Mr. ROLLA. Yes. 177 Senator DODD. When you approached Mr. Watkins, Sergeant Braun, did you seek out Mr. Watkins or was this in terms of the exchange about securing the office? Ms. BRAUN. Mr. Watkins became like a liaison with us. Since we were asked to contact him because he wanted to go with us to do the notification he fell into that role as being the liaison, So he was the person that I dealt directly with in making my request. Senator DODD. Did you seek him out specifically as you were going out or did this come up in the conversation just as you were leaving? Was it an afterthought or was it something you went specifically to him to raise? Ms. BRAUN. We had stopped to speak to him and to exchange our business cards with Mr. Watkins to let them know if they had any information that they should call us, if they came upon any information that they should call us, and then he made his request about us not releasing Mr. Foster's name to the media, and then I, in turn, made my request to have the office sealed so that we could go through it in the morning.
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July 20, 1995 - Part 3
(11:45:46) Senator DODD. Now, let me very quickly ask you here and thenyou've used the words "seal," "secure," "lock," there may be others. These are terms of art in your business Ms. BRAUN. You are correct. Senator DODD. -isn't that correct? Ms. BRAUN. Yes. Senator DODD. If someone says seal that scene, that crime scene, there are a certain amount of things you immediately think op. Ms. BRAUN. Right. Senator DODD. I suspect that goes to what Mr. Rolla was saying, that is, the tape around the area to protect whatever evidence and so forth. You, of course, are operating at this point preliminarily on the notion that this is probably a suicide; is that correct? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, sir. Senator DODD. So your reactions in terms of how you deal with these matters are different than if you had drawn a preliminary conclusion that this might have been a murder; correct? Ms. BRAUN. Yes. Senator DODD. So sealing has one set of notions involved in it and securing has another, I presume, or is it the same as sealing? Ms. BRAUN. It's interchangeable. Hindsight is 20/20 and I've also, since I've become a supervisor, learned you have to ask a lot of questions and make sure people understand what your meaning is. If I had to do it again today, I would make sure that our meanings were the same. Senator DODD. But you used the word "lock" earlier. What you are really getting at here is Ms. BRAUN. I think I used the word "closed." Senator DODD. "Closed," "locked," what you are thinking about, I'm trying to get at that, Depending on what you are looking at, it's not-you're not-again, as Mr. Rolla said, this is more of a request, this is seeking cooperation? Ms. BRAUN. Yes. senator DODD. You are not trying to protect evidence here, necessarily in the sense you would be if this were a murder? Ms. BRAUN. That's correct, 178 Senator DODD. It's just merely seeking cooperation in a sense? Ms. BRAUN. Yes. Senator DODD. So what you were really looking at here was that, the room be closed, that there not be a lot of traffic in it, that there not be a lot of people going in and out and disrupting things and so forth potentially Ms. BRAUN. Yes. Senator DODD. Isn't that what you are really getting at here? Ms. BRAUN. Yes. Senator DODD. Which is different than sealing, the notion-the" word "seal" has been used over and over and over again. What you. were driving at was something very different than sealing? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, I wanted to keep the office intact, the way it! was when Mr. Foster left it, and to keep people from rummaging through it. Senator DODD. I see my time has expired here. I don't know if I have time to give back to counsel at all. Was that my full time? The CHAIRMAN. Oh, yes. Senator DODD. Oh, I'm sorry. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Faircloth, I've asked could you yield 30 seconds to Senator Shelby? Senator SHELBY. How about 10, sir? The CHAIRMAN. About 10 seconds, and I'd ask for a minute, if you might. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Go right ahead. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you. Senator Shelby. Senator SHELBY. You were allowed in the office, not you, but the Park Police investigating team was allowed in Mr. Foster's office," but you were not allowed to look at anything; is that correct? Mr. HINES. That is correct. Senator SHELBY. That's correct. In other words, Mr. Nussbaum, in his infinite wisdom, controlled what was what in the office, what you could do? Mr. HINES. That is correct. Senator SHELBY. So this investigation, would you consider its tial part like a sham? Mr. HINES. Pardon me, sir? Senator SHELBY. Was it a sham of an investigation then? Mr. HINES. I wouldn't call it a sham, but I would say that we would have liked to 7 Senator SHELBY. Would you have called it an investigation? Mr. HINES. We would have liked to have looked at those docu- ments, at some of those documents ourselves. Senator SHELBY. It was totally an incomplete investigation, wasn't it? Mr. HINES. Yes, it was. Senator SHELBY. Thank you. Thank you for yielding, Senator. II The CHAIRMAN. If I might, Sergeant Braun, if you had been per- mitted access to the office, is it fair to say that you would looked through Mr. Foster's briefcase? 179 Ms. BRAUN. I would have probably started with Mr. Foster's desk, looking in the obvious place, on the top of the desk to see if there was a note or any information left there like his journal or his diary. The CHAIRMAN. After looking through that, after you found none, and you saw his briefcase-you would have noticed his briefcasewould you have looked in that? Is it fair to assume good investigative procedure would have dictated that you look into that briefcase? Ms. BRAUN. Yeah. Probably the procedure, though, that I would have used would have been in concert with Mr. Foster's secretary, who would know how he keeps his papers, where he keeps his papers, and I would have asked her for certain documents and where he kept them. If she handed me the briefcase to look in, I would have looked in the briefcase. The CHAIRMAN. If the briefcase was in the room next to the desk, would you have looked at it?
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July 20, 1995 - Part 3
(11:50:18) The CHAIRMAN. I understand that. But under such circumstances, a suicide, looking for a note, entering the person's office, looking on the top of the desk or in any of the pull-out drawers to see if there is any note or any information, you would go through the diaries. If there was a briefcase there and you had found one, wouldn't you look Ms. BRAUN. If this was something that he carried back and forth with him between work and home, yes. The CHAIRMAN. OK. I just wanted to find out your procedure. Senator Faircloth. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR LAUCH FAIRCLOTH Senator FAIRCLOTH, Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Detective Rolla, it's nice to have you back after a year. Mr. ROLLA. Thank you, Senator. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Earlier you said that you had been, and I quote, "stonewalled," and weren't getting any cooperation from the people at the Foster home. Were you surprised that no one at the Foster home seemed to want you to investigate Mr. Foster's death? Mr. ROLLA. That word "stonewalled" is creeping up. I never got the impression that no one wanted me to not-or they wanted me not to investigate the death. "Stonewalled" might be-as I think I testified last time-maybe it was too strong of a word. It's a word I used. I used that word in connection with-I believe they had the information that he was suffering depression, that they did give him names of doctors, that he was receiving medication from a doctor in Arkansas for depression and that-it would have been much simpler circumstances to take us aside, if they wanted to do it privately, to have somebody tell us that, that there was some problem. Having knowledge and not giving it is what I would interpret as stonewalling. Senator FAIRCLOTH. OK. Mr. Rolla, would you please tell me about your conversation' with Mr. Markland in reference to the White House's stonewalling of the Park Police's investigation in the period from July 20, 1993? 180 Mr. ROLLA. Again, this is 2 years ago, and I don't have any exact recollection. I remember that lie and Captain Hume were upset on July 21, 1993, 1 believe, the first day they went up there. They were not treated properly or very nicely. No respect was given to them and I don't have any exact-I know they were angry about the way they were treated at the White House. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Let me ask you another question. We'll move through these. On July 28, 1993, you were at the office of Jim Hamilton, Vince Foster's attorney, and you were there to examine' material from Mr. Foster's office; is that right? Mr. ROLLA. That's correct. Senator FAIRCLOTH. In those files was there a diary? Mr. ROLLA. Yes, there was. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Did you ask Mr. Hamilton to see the diary? Mr. ROLLA. Yes. Senator FAIRCLOTH, What was his response? Mr. ROLLA. For some reason Mr. Hamilton put up a small front to us looking at the diary, that it was personal documents or whatever. Myself and Lieutenant Kass were there. Lieutenant Kass told Mr. Hamilton that these were the only documents we were allowed to see from the office and we were finally getting to look at them, If there was possible evidence, we were going to look at these documents. We're not trying to embarrass anyone, but we have an investigation. We're going to look at what you give us here and if there is something we need, we're going to take it. Senator FAIRCLOTH. But you got a chance to look at the diary, didn't you? Mr. ROLLA. Yes, I looked at it. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Was there anything in it about Whitewater? Mr, ROLLA. Not to my recollection. It was--only 10 to 15 pages had writing on them. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Was there anything else that you thought might have led to a suicide or any troubling instant or issue with the White House? Was there anything there? Mr. ROLLA. No. Senator FAIRCLOTH, Let me refresh your memory. You told the FBI in an interview dated December 22, 1993, there was nothing that would indicate depression or any interest in suicide. Mr. ROLLA. That's correct, there wasn't. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Yet you mentioned there was a party at the Governor's Mansion following Bill Clinton's election as President., Mr. Foster makes mention of this in his diary. I about this, Why did you think it was important to tell the FBI and did Mr. Foster say anything in his diary that you want to tell us? Mr. ROLLA. I 'm sorry, they handed me this document I was looking at- mentioning the party at the Governor's Mansion?
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July 20, 1995 - Part 3
(11:55:08) Mr. ROLLA. Basically, they asked me what I could remember. don't believe there were any dates written on the pages. The timeframe, I told them, I believed was post-election, pre-inauguration, and that in one passage I remembered that- and I don't remember word for word. It was obvious that himself and Mrs, Clinton were. 181 close personal friends, a working relationship, were friendly and there was a party-a passage about a party at the Governor's Mansion. There was something else about his daughter leaving the party or something, I believe. Just what 1 could remember. Senator FAIRCLOTH. OK About Foster leaving the party? Mr. ROLLA. No, I think it was his daughter leaving with another friend-going to the party, leaving, I really don't remember. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Hines, you understood that your Park Police Officers Hume and Markland were having trouble with the White House, and that the White House was preventing them from doing a real investigation. As a result of knowing this, you went to see Tom Collier, Bruce Babbitt's Chief of Staff-, is that right? Mr. HINES. Yes, I did. Senator FAIRCLOTH. You asked his help in getting more cooperation out of the White House for the Park Police; is that correct? Mr. HINES. We told him that we perceived some problems and briefed him on what problems we perceived, and he said that he would look into it. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Are you aware that 2 months later, in September, Mr. Collier hired Webb Hubbell's wife as his special assistant? Mr. Hubbell being one of Mr. Foster's closest friends. Mr. HINES. No, I'm not aware of that, Senator FAIRCLOTH. Did you know that Ms. Hubbell left that job for 11 months, but was allowed to come back to it during the time that Mr. Hubbell was cooperating with the prosecutor? Senator DODD. Mr. Chairman, can I inquire as to the scope of this? The CHAIRMAN. Senator, let's stay within the scope if we can. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Is that out of the scope? The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Senator DODD. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Ms. Braun, Mr. Hubbell said that he and Lisa Foster said they searched for a note, did they tell you that? Did they tell you that they did that? Ms. BRAUN. No, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. YOU say no? Ms. BRAUN. No, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. They did not tell you. Why don't you think they told you that they were looking for a note and couldn't find it? Ms. BRAUN. I had no contact with anybody from the Foster family or Mr. Hubbell after we left there at 11 p.m, that evening. Senator FAIRCLOTH. After all, at that time they did not know for certain that this was a suicide. Wouldn't they have wanted to get information from you as opposed to pushing you out of the way? Ms. BRAUN. I'm not sure I quite understand the frame of your question there, Senator. Senator FAIRCLOTH. I'm sorry. Ms. BRAUN. I don't understand your question, Senator. Senator FAIRCLOTH. I would have thought they would have been trying to get information from you, rather than moving you aside. Ms. BRAUN, I don't know what was going through their heads, Senator. Senator FAIRCLOTH. All right. Thank you. Time's up. 182 The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator. Senator Sarbanes. Senator SARBANES. Senator Boxer. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR BARBARA BOXER Senator BOXER. Thank you very much. Before I turn to the panel of witnesses-and I just want to say welcome and I know this, is not the most pleasant of duties and you are very professional and articulate and very credible-I just want to make a point, and I'd' like to ask the Chairman a question if I could have his attention for a moment. Mr. Chairman? Mr. Chairman, I wanted to ask you a question if I could. I am still concerned about what I view a little bit as selective cooperation from the Independent Counsel regarding the Maggie Williams polygraph result, and it is my understanding that. the polygraph test on Maggie Williams was administered by the FBI under the supervision of the Independent Counsel and that. she took it voluntarily and that her counsel was advised by the Independent Counsel that she passed the test. Now, that's my understanding. Will I be permitted or would other Members of the Committee be permitted to question both Maggie Williams and her attorney regarding that test since we cannot get the actual results of that test?
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Truman: Vacation Is Not All Play For President. A vacation is not all play, as President Truman amply demonstrates during a busy day at the little White House. Mail arrives from Washington; there are many telephone and radio communications, and frequent meetings with his top advisors. Military man gets off plane carrying bags. Close shot of bag that says "The White House Official Business". High angle building with palm trees rising around it. A casually-dressed Harry S. Truman site at desk with a male stenographer at his side; man brings mail to him. Two women operators work busily at telephone switchboard. Various shots of yacht at dock. Truman sits outside with a group of white male advisors, also casually dressed, and looks over some papers with them. Propaganda, perhaps, showing that the U.S. government is on the alert even when on vacation.
News in Brief: French Jets Train.
News in Brief: French Jets Train. Flying British-built Vampire jets, French pilots take off for thrilling aerial maneuvers, part of their training for General Eisenhower's expanding NATO air arm. Shots of flame coming out of jet engine. Jet taxis. Jet flying just above ground level. Ground-to-air shot of many jets (32 of them, it looks like) flying overhead in formation. POV shot as if inside airplane as it goes partway through a roll. Air-to-air planes. Really nifty subjective POV shot from inside one cockpit, flying close behind another jet as it flies very close to the ground!
News in Brief: Colorado, Denver Plane Crash.
News in Brief: Colorado, Denver Plane Crash. Eight crewmen are killed in flaming wreckage of big B-29 bomber which crashed into three houses in a Denver suburb. Only a miracle saved lives of persons trapped in their burning homes. Men carry away body on stretcher. VS destruction and wreckage caused by very serious plane crash, men in military uniform inspecting crash site.
July 20, 1995 - Part 3
(12:00:08) The CHAIRMAN. Yes , you will be. There is nothing that I am aware of that would preclude that. As a matter of fact, it may now be necessary since we will not receive the test-I mentioned it today at the opening along with Senator Sarbanes-to enter into the record the letter of request and the Special Counsel's reasons for the denial of our request. This was the second formal communication in addition Senator BOXER. I was here for that. I just wanted to make sure that that doesn't preclude us from asking questions to get verifica- tion. The CHAIRMAN. No, this Committee will not be precluded from asking questions and it might even require us to go further Senator BOXER. Oh, OK. The CHAIRMAN. We try to save that time. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, if the gentle lady will be glad to yield just for a moment. Senator BOXER. I'd be glad to, yes. Senator SARBANES. I would also like to make the observation that Senator Faircloth asked the question of Detective Rolla based, on the 302 report written by the FBI after their interview with Detective Rolla, that's what the question was about earlier. We asked the Independent Counsel for the 302 reports on Margaret Williams and Agent O'Neill and were denied those reports. Of course, again, I want to emphasize as I did at the outset that I think it would have been very helpful to us to have those 302 reports along with the results of the polygraph test which the Senator from California has just mentioned. Senator BOXER. Thank you very much. Then I'm going to pursue that line of questioning at the appropriate time. I'd like to ask you, Ms. Braun, as a matter of fact each of you to answer this. You were at the home, as you 've testified, the night 183 of the suicide. Was it your sense as you saw many people in the house, and you were there until 11:10, that there were meetings going on, that there was some kind of undertone or buzz going on about what to do about papers and documents, or would you say that this was a home where people were gathered because they had heard about this man who they cared about and wanted to pay their respects to the widow and perhaps console each other? Ms. BRAUN. I would have to say it was probably the latter. Senator BOYER. Mr. Rolla? Mr. ROLLA. I would say, obviously, they were close friends and they were there to console and heard news, and I don't have any idea who they talked to or what those conversations were about while they were on the phone. Certain people were on the phone the entire time they were there. Senator BOXER. I didn't ask you if they were on the phone. I asked you if you saw, as you looked around the room, groups meeting and people discussing business matters, meeting in private rooms out of your sight, perhaps, or where they were doing anything other than discussing their grief or talking about the suicide. Mr. ROLLA. People were meeting out of my earshot, talking on the phone and discussing things. I don't know what they were discussing. Senator BOXER. OK. So you can't answer the question of whether you thought it was-as Ms. Braun can. To you, you're not sure if it was more condolence calls or business meetings or meetings about papers? Mr. ROLLA. I think it's obvious there was condolence calls because-that was obvious, but it was also obvious-a businesslike atmosphere. Senator BOXER. Mr. Hines? Mr. HINES. I was not there that night, Senator. Senator BOXER. OK. It's now been 2 years-actually, I think it is tomorrow. Mr. ROLLA. Today. Senator BOXER. It is today-since Vince Foster's death. I would ask each of you to answer, i's there anything that has come to your attention, either professionally, personally, through reading the press in any way, that leads you to change your mind that this was anything but a suicide? Ms. Braun? Ms. BRAUN. No, Senator. Senator BOXER. Mr. Rolla? Mr. ROLLA. No. Senator BOXER. Mr. Hines? Mr. HINES. Nothing. Senator BOXER. I want to get back to the sealing of the office or the securing of the office or the locking of the office or the closing of the office and try to clarify in my mind what happened. I'm going to ask each of you to tell me if I'm incorrect. Ms. Braun, on your way out of the door, literally, you said to Mr. Watkins something to the effect of Vince Foster's office at the White House should be secure? Ms. BRAUN. Yes. Senator BOXER. You don't recall exactly what he said, but you think you remember him agreeing with you; is that correct? 184
Airplane Oddities
(On preview cassette #98723.) This is an amazing compliation reel of man's early attempts to fly. Produced by Pathe News, the first half is devoted to man-powered efforts while the second is in honor of the motor. There are many bizarre designs, countless large flapping contraptions, mostly in either tight or wide LS. The following are just a few of the shots within... LS of a man with strange wings strapped to his back standing on a bridge; he leaps off and flies straight down, gracefully, to the water below. Tight LS of a rocket fueled plane spurting glycerin fire for a while before shooting off and crashing down almost immediately (the first attempt at rocket mail, according to the MS of a mailbag bearing that title; they show another attempt with equally humorous results). The first attempt at a rocket pack: MS of a man's backside onto which a rocket is strapped; gets ignited, then explodes. The second attempt works for a moment or two but the man loses his balance (he's wearing ice skates on a frozen pond), slips and falls on his arse. Many, many motorized planes of every size, shape and variation. Many, many disturbing wrecks though still humorous in a snuff film way (don't worry, no one seems to die in any of the wrecks). (On preview cassette #98723.)