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August 3, 1994 - Part 8
(19:30:24) The CHAIRMAN. We're scheduled to start at 9:30 a.m., and I'm certainly open to starting sooner than that if it's practical for the ,Members here, and I'm happy to talk to people about that. I'm willing to start at an earlier hour. My intention is to get through these panels in the same fashion and manner in which we've been operating up until the present time. senator BOXER. Mr. Chairman, is there a way-if we're going to have-I understand you're going to start the two tonight. The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Senator BOXER. And when everyone is tired, you're going to or you're going to break at a certain time? The CHAIRMAN. No. I'm going to make a judgment as to an hour this evening. We're not going to be able to finish I don't think, without going into the dead of night. I don't think that's a sound course of action. 148 Senator BOXER. Can we fold these two into another panel in the morning rather than have a whole separate panel and throw us off our schedule? Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. Mr. Chairman, would it he appropriate- can we just break for a minute and discuss this? The CHAIRMAN. I'd be happy to talk to you informally. I don't want to break for that purpose. We've got Members that want to ask questions. We've got witnesses sitting here. Senator DODD. Mr. Chairman, just a suggestion. Is the first panel tomorrow also White House? What about the possibility of then trying to combine, maybe, the two this evening, what they haven't finished, with the first panel. Senator BOXER. That's what I just suggested. Senator DODD. Did you make that suggestion? Senator BOXER. Yes. But it sounded very good when you said it again. [Laughter.] Senator DODD. What? Senator BOXER. It sounded very good when you said it. Senator D'AMATO. I'm willing and I speak for our side, to accomodate--to think we can finish this off, let's get our witnesses sworn in, let's have their opening statements, you save time. Start punctually at 9:00, try to go through them as quickly as possible. If you don't want to do that, why then, let's just keep plowing ahead, Senator BOXER, I'd rather plow ahead. Senator D'AMATO. If you want to plow ahead you're going to he here a long time. Because then I'll tell you what takes place. People do not- they don't have an incentive to say at 9:00 or 9:30 we can be out of here, because we know we're going to be here until 12:00 or 1:00. Senator SARBANES. Why don't we go ahead now? The CHAIRMAN. If I may say so, I'm attempting to reconcile a number of different issues and points of view. I'd like a little latitude on this issue, on this scheduling matter. I think what I'm posing to you is a reasonable way to move this. I'd be happy to talk to people individually. I don't think we're going to solve it in this kind of a group discussion, Right now I'd like to call on the next person waiting to ask questions. Senator SHELBY. You're the Chairman, you make the decision. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. Mr. Chairman, we'd just like you to withhold judgment until we've had a chance to discuss it a little bit with you, The CHAIRMAN. I will do so. Did you want to go next, Senator D'Amato? Senator D'AMATO. Senator Gramm. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Gramm is recognized. Senator GRAMM. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Klein, want to go back to your deposition. You were asked in your deposition the following question: "In other words, your understanding was that Mr. Altman was not going to raise the recusal discussion on February 2nd in whatever letter he wrote. And your answer was "that was my understanding " You then go 149 on to say, "I feel reasonably confident that I probably said something to the effect of if he's going to write a letter, 1 don't understand why he doesn't put this recusal point or something to that effect in the letter." Now, is that your recollection of your deposition'? Mr. KLEIN. That's correct, sir. Senator GRAMM. Do you have any further information as to why Mr. Altman did not put the recusal issue in the letter of March the 2nd? Mr. KLEIN. Other than the testimony I heard here yesterday, no, sir. Senator GRAMM. I've tried to look at this in every way. He's writing a letter to clarify the record. You don't have any doubt that when he wrote that letter, he knew that recusal discussions had occurred. He had been in on at least two meetings. There may have been a dozen telephone calls, some of which he was involved in. Your boss had called him directly and said, you didn't mention recusal. You have no doubt whatsoever that he knew about recusal? Mr. KLEIN. Based on the information I had, I don't have any real doubt about that, sir, Senator GRAMM. Well, it seems to me that there is only one inference that this Committee can draw from that. Let me just speak for myself. There's only one inference I can draw from it, and that is that for some reason, which we do not know, and my guess is we'll never know fully, Mr. Altman desperately did not want this Committee to know that this discussion was going on at that point. And that gets me back to this issue: what is the big deal about recusal?
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