Farm Hogs
Birth Of A Lamb
Lambs In Corral
Sheep and Corral
Sheep and Baby Sheep ... (same as #2 and #3)
Ram's Butting Heads
ON PREVIEW CASSETTE # 210204 Cock Fight
Sheeps - Cattle - Pigs
Pack Animals - Horse
Ext. - Red Barn
Animals (Harvesting, etc.)
2 Horses
Jack Asses
Working With Horses
Riding On A Horse
Travelling With Pack Animals
Oxen
On Preview Cassette 210916 CU Horses Legs Run Across Tough Terrain. Very brief shot.
Rice - Hens and Eggs - Beef Cattle - Dairy Cattle - Goats - Potatoes
Grazing On and In Mountains, Ranch, Plains, Fields
(18:05:16) Senator ROTH. Well, I have to say that I am somewhat surprised at your answer. Presumably, this was issued on February 22, 1993 to govern the kind of contacts that could be made by White House staff. And yet you're telling me that as one of the experts on ethics, you're not that familiar with this particular memorandum. Ms. NOLAN. Senator, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to suggest that. What I meant to say was that I haven't looked at what the particular matter was, the Madison Guaranty matter, to state whether it would fall within the category of defined matters subject to the Senator ROTH. Let me ask you this, if I may. Would not a criminal referral constitute an adjudicative matter in your judgment? Ms. NOLAN. Yes, it would. Senator ROTH. And since we are talking about the Madison Guaranty criminal referrals, they would constitute, if I follow your answer, an adjudicative matter pending before an agency, either RTC or Justice Department; is that correct? Ms. NOLAN. I'm sorry, Senator. Could you repeat that? Senator ROTH. Well, you answered me that criminal referrals were an adjudicative matter, so what I am asking is aren't the Madison Guaranty criminal referrals an adjudicative matter? Ms. NOLAN. I believe-I can only say, Senator, that I believe it would be, but I am not familiar enough with the matter to give you a specific answer. Senator ROTH. But you would answer in the affirmative, as far as a criminal referral being an adjudicative matter? Ms. NOLAN. Yes, sir. Senator ROTH. Now, section A-1 of the memorandum includes two lists of Government agencies. The first group of independent agencies, and I quote, "should not be contracted by White House 129 staff' unless, prior clearance is received from the White House Counsel's Office. The second group of agencies should not be contacted without prior clearance by the White House Counsel on matters regarding the exercise of their "regulatory or adjudicative functions." Is that correct? Ms. NOLAN. Should not be contacted without the permission of the Counsel's Office? Senator ROTH. Yes. Ms. NOLAN. Correct. Senator ROTH. Let me ask you this, Ms. Nolan. While the RTC is not included on either list, the memorandum goes on to state, and I am quoting "the list is merely illustrative. Many bureaus and divisions of agencies have authority to issue binding regulations or to decide specific claims and the same rules on prior clearance apply for those entities as well." And moreover, subsection A-2 states that the ban on agency contacts extends to "components of departments and agencies with authority to investigate charges of misconduct." Now, Ms. Nolan, would speciflic investigative matters pending before the RTC, such as Madison Guaranty, be included in the ban on direct contact by White House personnel under the Nussbaum memorandum? Ms. NOLAN. Senator, I'm not sure. If I were asked that question, I would have to look at exactly what the Resolution Trust Corporation's charter is and whether it is an independent investigative agency or not. senator ROTH. Let me go back and ask does RTC, in your judgment, exercise an adjudicative function? Ms. NOLAN. Senator, I'm sorry. You're asking me to answer a question I haven't looked at. I have stayed out of the review of these matters, the contacts, the Treasury-White House contacts. I have stayed out of the review of that matter, and I have not looked at this particular question.
(18:10:12) Senator ROTH. Mr. Chairman, my concern is that purportedly, the purpose of this memorandum was to determine when contacts with agencies by White House staff were to be banned. I did have a series of questions that I wanted to ask as to whether the contacts made by a number of White House personnel were within this .ban, but if I understand what you are saying, you are not that well acquainted with the memorandum to answer such questions; is ,that correct? Ms. NOLAN. Senator, I want to make clear, it's not the memorandum. It's applying the memorandum to the particular situation. If I were asked that question at the White House, I would do some -Tesearch. I would look at the question. And so Senator ROTH. But you do not know, if I understand your stateinent, as to whether or not this memorandum applies to RTC? Ms. NOLAN. It does not apply-it does not list the Resolution Trust Corporation as one of those agencies. That's correct. Senator ROTH. As I pointed out. But it does say that the list identiflied is only illustrative and so my question was whether or not the RTC, because of its adjudicative function, would be covered? 130 Senator DODD. Will my colleague yield on that one question? I think that may be stipulated. I'm not sure, but maybe if someone on the panel or someone on the staff here I don't believe that the RTC has, to use your words, an "adjudicative function." I may be wrong on that. Senator ROTH. Mr. Chairman, I am asking the witnesses that. That is what I am trying to determine. Senator SARBANES. That was a line of questioning of the Senator from Delaware. I think we'd better reserve it, Senator Roth, until your next round. We've already gone well over the time. There's a vote on, and we could recognize Senator Boxer and she could complete Senator ROTH. Could I just make one comment? Senator DODD. Could I make a parliamentary inquiry Mr. Chairman? Senator SARBANES. Certainly. Senator DODD, Is it a matter of fact that a function has an adjudicative function? That's not a debate. Senator ROTH. I would like to point out Senator SARBANES. I thought the question was put to Ms. Nolan and she gave a response to it on the basis of this memo; is that correct? Ms. NOLAN. My response, Senator, was that I could not answer that question without looking at the Resolution Trust Corporation's charter and understanding its functions, and I have not done that. Senator ROTH. I should point out, Mr. Chairman, that this regulation covers agencies with investigative functions as well, but my time is up. The CHAIRMAN. We have a vote underway. I think what we'll do at this point, the bells are going to ring and Senator SARBANES. They have. The CHAIRMAN. I know. The second bells are going to ring, indicating that our time is very short on the roll call so I think what we'll do is take a brief recess for about 10, 12 minutes, It will give you folks a chance Senator DAMATO. There are two votes-there's a possibility, Mr. Chairman, of two votes, and so that might require us, and they would have--I don't think we'll be back for at least 20, 25 minutes just to let the witnesses know. The CHAIRMAN. Well, if there prove to be two votes, we'll alert the staff and they can tell you and then you can plan accordingly. As soon as we're free from voting on the Floor, we'll be back and we'll resume. The Committee stands in recess until the voting period ends. (18:14:04) [Recess.]
BEE on thistle
Soapy Smith's "SKULL"SKAGWAY