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Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 5, 1973
[00.06.36] Mr. LENZNER. And that entry is 'in your handwriting; is that correct? Mr. REISNER. That is correct. Mr. Magruder was not, in Washington at the time as indicated here also and I think that was the, reason for being asked to get Liddy to call him. Mr. LENZNER. There, is an entry on March 31 in the upper righthand corner--Mr. Liddy's name. Mr. REISNER. Gordon Liddy give answer, Mr. LENZNER. What does that, represent? Mr. REISNER. The nature of this diary is that it is not, a diary, the nature of this log, is a, recording of activities that are taking place in the office, It is just, a random recording of interruptions, It appears from the way In which this appears that Mr. Liddy would have interrupted me and said he. needed an answer. I don't know whether this represented a phone call, Mr. Liddy simply stopping by the office. This illustrates the purpose for keeping the log in the first place, There were lots of interruptions like that and a lot, of activities and that was the reason for writing it, down, just, to remember it. Mr. LENZNER. Now, after Mr. Magruder returned from Florida, did he give you a message or instructions to pass on to Mr. Liddy? Mr. REISNER. No, I am not, certain it was when he returned from Florida. What I remember was on one occasion--the timing of the occasion roughly coincides with this-- Mr. Magruder standing in my doorway and telling me to call Mr, Liddy. Now, it was his habit, to frequently do that. That, was the nature of my job. He would come and give Me numerous instructions and I was to pass on approvals, disapprovals, that, sort, of thing, reactions to decisions or matters that he was handling. He appeared in my doorway and said, "Call Liddy", tell him it is approved or tell him it is approved and that, we need to get going in the next 2 weeks." That was it, perfectly characteristic thing for him to say because I frequently called other senior members of the committee and told them similar things. I made such a, phone call. I related roughly in time to this because I have the feeling that the first, week or two in April had something to do with the 2 weeks. That is a, very vague recollection . I called Mr. Liddy and his reaction was a little, bit different than the reaction of most people that I communicated this kind of decision to and I remember it; he said "But I can't, it, is going to be hard," or something like that, and he protested and I indicated to him that he was going to have to talk to Mr. Magruder about it, that I didn't know what I was telling him about, that whatever he had talked about With Mr. Magruder was approved and if it made sense to him then I was glad to pass it on to him. He said he subsequently did talk to Mr. Magruder on a number of occasions. I assume whatever the matter was was resolved. Mr. LENZNER. I am going to show you now, Mr. Reisner, some documents which have previously been used here and ask You if there came a time in June of 1972 When you observed those documents in the possession of Mr. Magruder. Mr. REISNER. These documents were shown to me by you and other members of the staff. They seem to me to be similar to documents that I observed. I remember on one--on two occasions seeing something similar to the envelope. - I remember seeing something similar to the, material--to this letterhead. I believe I tried to describe this on one earlier occasion and that was when I appeared before the grand jury and was asked about the nature of observing documents similar to this. At that time I Identified documents which are not exactly like this. 'Upon seeing them on a subsequent occasion, I think probably these are the documents--I mean, I think that, this is the stationery- Mr. LENZNER. You say the, documents you saw at the grand jury are not- Mr. REISNER. No, no, I have never been shown documents by Mr. Silbert or his staff. He indicated that he might, at some future time do that. He, I do not think, has had an opportunity to do that. But at the time, I was asked to try to identify what I saw. And when I did so, I identified it slightly differently than this, but upon seeing this, I think that this is the same document. I am just trying to be accurate on that. Mr. LENZNER. Now, approximately when did you see these documents and describe the circumstances surrounding your observations. Mir. REISNER. During the week prior to June, 17, and perhaps it, was during the 2 week, prior to June' 17-1 cannot be certain on exactly the time--I observed documents similar to this here. Mr. LENZNER. You are referring to the stationery? Mr. REISNER. I am referring to the stationery with "Gemstone" at the top. Senator ERVIN. The stationery has as already been marked for identification. Mr. REISNER. It is exhibit 16 for identification. on that occasion, it was simply in Mr. Magruder's hands or lying on his desk. I am not certain. Subsequently, I was handed the document and I was handed it in such a way that it, indicated to me very clearly that it was not for me to observe, that, it was not for MY conception. At the time, it was handed to me--that `a; the second time that I saw it. It was during those 2 -weeks prior to the 17th. [00.12.33]