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Christ on Cross Reenacted
MS man carrying cross, reenacting the Crucifixion as part of his Roman Catholic faith. His face is covered by a white cloth, and small children and worshippers are following him as he walks slowly along. A tall figure in a white hat guides him, perhaps a missionary 01:07:18 front view of man on cross, in place, face still covered; blurry CU of man walking again 01:07:34 LS Christians on wall, man in cross climbing stairs 01:07:41 good MS old woman leaning on young boy, soft focus 01:07:46 MS two young women in dresses sitting on wall, looking at camera 01:07:52 MS young mentalking together, one smoking, reading tracts that the missionary hands out. Two young women on wall, and one moves shyly away from the camera, out of frame. Brief MS of missionary handing out religious pamphlets or tracts 01:08:10 LS people on busy street, picking up stones from large hole in road. This may be crude repair of bomb damage, or just people collecting the scrap from a construction project. Nice bus and 1950s trucks pass by, as well as bicycles 01:08:21 CU Asian woman reading out loud, soft focus
Boy Player & Bill Tilden
LS boy on tennis court, serving and running to the net. Manufacturer's marking holes in film disrupt shot, , but we have an interesting pan to the side of the court, where in the distance old people are playing bocce ball and shuffleboard. Building in the distance has California look, Spanish revival, as if this is an expensive resort, or a tennis camp 01:15:49 (CSL 383-8) LS tennis great Bill Tilden with racket on court, preparing to take a serve backhand. Slow motion shot shows him hitting the ball back, first backhand, then forehand. Good strong shots indicate that even as an elderly man Tilden played with skill. 01:16:09 Tilden serves (shot at regular speed) and takes a forehand return
Co-ed seniors in annual hoop-roll!
Same as catalog # 340399 Co-ed seniors in annual hoop-roll! Undergrads salute outgoing upper classmen, -- er -- classwomen. Large group pf people form "1931" on a lawn, then run towards the camera. Graduates running through the campus in cap & gown.
Inventors perfect new auto-boat!
Same as catalog # 493455 Inventors perfect new auto-boat! Flivver furnishes motive power for odd marine device.
August 4, 1994 - Part 10
(20:05:36) And now when we attempt to get from the witness an answer as to yes or no, did he suggest that Mr. Steiner or Mr. Altman find a way to fire or get rid of him, he says I have no recollection. That is an artful way. That's that artful dodging again, an artful dodge. This is my opinion, I understand it's a graceful dodge, but I don't think it's so graceful. I think the American people and others in this Committee really have an understanding of what's going on. This is an attempt to keep from answering a question that anyone, given the circumstances and the import of that whole situation, couldn't help but remember. And not to confuse matters, this Senator is absolutely convinced that the witness is involved, once again, in a graceful dodge that is not too graceful. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator MACK. Mr. Chairman 433 The CHAIRMAN. Just one moment. I've got both Senator Sarbanes asking to speak and Senator MACK. Mr. Chairman--- The CHAIRMAN. I'll come back in a minute but we're going to rotate here and I'll call on you as well. Senator MACK. I just wanted to make a point that there are a lot of us that are waiting here that have not participated. If we don't go back to trying to strictly stay to lie time, those of us who are being The CHAIRMAN. I couldn't agree with you more. Senator MACK. It seems to me if they want to raise that point, when it's their time they ought to raise it. Senator SARBANES. It is our time now. Senator DAmato's time just expired and the time comes to this side. Who is recognized on this Senator KERRY. Before the time comes to our side-[Laughter.] The CHAIRMAN. Just one moment, Senator KE RRY. Excuse me. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Kerry, just a moment please. Senator KERRY. I thought the witness deserved an opportunity to answer. After all Senator MACK. That was a statement. Senator D'AMATO. I didn't ask a question. I made a statement. I did not ask a question. I said this is my opinion. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, if I may make the point. The CHAIRMAN. Let me just indicate that the witnesses have been at the table for a long time. And they've asked to have a 10minute pause here so they can refresh themselves. I think that's a reasonable request. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. May I respond to the Senator. The CHAIRMAN. Once I finish. Senator Sarbanes, you've asked to be recognized but the witnesses have asked if they can have a break here. I want to accommodate that. I think it's reasonable. Senator SARBANES. I want to be-I just want to make the point that a response by a witness that "I do not remember," "I do not recall" is a direct answer to the question. Now, you may not accept that answer if you're the questioner. Others may accept that answer, others may find it creditable that the witness would not recall or would not remember. Senator D'AMATO. My colleague is correct. Senator SARBANES. And the fact that it's not the answer you're seeking I don't think makes it not a response to your question. Senator D'AMATO, Well, that's why I said I found it difficult. Senator SARBANES. Secondly, this line of questioning gives incredible credence to the Steiner diary which I must say to you I have some difficulty in doing. I mean, I think to some extent this is a work of art, so to speak. Senator MACK. But, Mr. Chairman, could I get some time and just- Senator SARBANES. I just want to register those two points with respect to the statements and the line of questioning that we just followed, but I don't--I mean, you may not accept the answer but it is an answer and it is a direct answer. 434 The CHAIRMAN. Well, I've got several Senators seeking recognition on both sides. I've got Senator Kerry, Senator Shelby, Senator Mack. Gentlemen, please. They've asked for a break at this point and I think they deserve one. We're not going to adjourn abruptly here. Everybody is going to have another chance, so whatever anyone wants to raise, they're going to have the opportunity to do so. Senator DOMENICI. On a lighter note, could I just tell you what"' 5 people outside are doing the pooling for television said to me a while ago? I've been joking with them that the longer we're here, the more money they make. And so I said, are you all pooling and" one of them said, I'm pooling for 4:00 a.m. The CHAIRMAN. Well, Committee stands in receMr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Chairman, may I simply respond? The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Stephanopoulos, Ill be happy to call on you when we come back. I don't think the question was presented to you and we'll start this whole thing all over again. Let's take a 10-minute recess. (20:10:27) [Recess.] (20:10:30) Commentary of hearing hosts DON BODE and NINA TOTENBERG from tv studio, they also talk to Senator PETE DOMENICI and Senator RICHARD SHELBY
August 4, 1994 - Part 10
(20:30:17) Hearing resumes: Senator SARBANES we have yet another witness this evening if that-Mr. Nussbaum will be coming in. The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Senator SARBANES. And I want not to use my time in an effort to be able to move on, otherwise we're going to be here until 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning. I do think, though, at the outset that if he wishes, I should yield some to Mr. Stephanopoulos. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS, Thirty seconds, sir, just very briefly. Senator SARBANES. Whatever time you need. I know you were seeking before to say something. I think you ought to have that opportunity to do so. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Just very briefly for the record. I mean,. there was a lot made of the diaries, you did point out, but when Mr. Steiner was asked under oath about this exact same sentence, his reply under oath to this Committee was I don't recall him saying that, no, on the matters that Mr. D'Amato was questioning me about. That was all I need to say. I don't need to take up any more time. Senator SARBANES. That's a very important point. I'm glad you had the opportunity to put that into the record. Could I ask the Chairman, is it the intention that once we complete this panel, which I take it we hope will be in the not too distant future, we then will go to Mr. Nussbaum and we will stay with Mr. Nussbaum until we finish, in other words, however late that goes this evening? The CHAIRMAN. That's right and I've discussed that with Senator, D'Amato who has discussed that with his side of the aisle and that is our agreed-upon operating plan. When we finish with this panel, 435 we'll probably take a brief recess, or we may not, but in any event Mr. Nussbaum will come on and we will stay with him until we finish tonight. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, I won't use the balance of my time. I don't know if any colleague has a point they want to make at this point or whether they want to wait their turn with respect to the balance of my time. Senator DODD. Who's next? The CHAIRMAN. Senator Kerry was actually, I think, next in the order on our side, but Senator SARBANES. Do we go back to that side? The CHAIRMAN. We will go back to this side unless someone wants to use the balance of your time, Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman, Id be happy to use the balance of the time, I'm just afraid I won't get through the point I want to make Senator SHELBY. Mr. Chairman, I wonder if the Senator from Maryland would give me 20 seconds of his time. Senator SARBANES. Certainly, certainly. Senator SHELBY. It was pointed out earlier before we had a break, the Senator from Maryland said something about the diaries, you know. They've been in vogue up here and in evidence and been talked about for all week and maybe before then. I think they are central as to what was going on regarding Roger Altman, regarding this whole thing, I think they're very important. They have a lot of probative value, a lot of probative value. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Shelby. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, I made the point earlier, I don't know if Senator Shelby was here and I don't altogether agree with that. I mean, I don't know that the Senator SHELBY. My response was to your comment. Senator SARBANES. Oh, all right. I didn't realize you were here. I want to make it very clear. I mean, I'm not sure how much probative value the diaries ought to be given and I think there is a certain flair, freelance quality to these diaries, In fact, I wrote earlier that it-that, well, the author may be given to dramatizing, I think that might be a kind way, a kind way to put it. Mr. Chairman Senator SHELBY. I think the author was dramatizing trying to explain them and he didn't do it. Senator SARBANES, I'll yield back the balance of my time and let you go back to the other side. The CHAIRMAN. Very good, Senator Bond. Senator BOND. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There were a few comments, seems like minutes, maybe it was hours ago about the Fiske Report that brought to my mind that when we had the session on Friday we found that there were a number of areas where it appeared, at least to me and to several others, that maybe the investigations by Mr. Fiske had not been as complete as needed. I asked specifically that the FBI provide us any other interviews that they had conducted, particularly as it related to Little Rock, and they assured us they would do so. I have not seen any response, and I thought perhaps if Counsel hasn't received them that it might be helpful to urge them to comply with that request. 436 The CHAIRMAN. I'll make an inquiry, but when you say "Little Rock , what is the reference you're making? Senator BOND. We were asking questions about who they interviewed in the U.S. Attorney's office. They had provided us with one interview with an Assistant U.S. Attorney and that interview was, frankly, very weak because the person interviewed had the wrong day, had made several suppositions that really raised more questions than it answered.
Bicycle race
Basketball Scrimmage
MS players on outdoor basketball court. Small crowd watching. The men are in uniform, shirts reading "Venturi Victory." Player takes a high pass in the flats and sinks the long three (except it wasn't a 3 then was it?) 01:16:28 (CSL 383-31) MS jump ball in same game (backwards film can be corrected in mastering) 01:16:48 LS same players running a drill -- film is faded 01:16:58 back to game, same shot as first, but film reversed 01:17:04 slightly faded following shot of ball as player takes long shots from top of key (camera follows ball)
Stretching for Fitness
LS four people in empty stadium doing calesthenics, touching their toes in the exercise known as windmills
Beach Volleyball, or Newt's Dream
MS shirtless men playing volleyball on beach
Strange Horse & Skirt Race
LS dirt track with 8 horses racing down, crowd of spectators looking on -- not large, but such as might appear at a state fair or horse show or rodeo. A bizarre race is in progress; the riders, all women, stop, dismount and try to put on white skirts that lie neatly folded on the ground. In contrast to their blue jeans and Western-style shirts, these are an impediment, as we see the women struggle to put the clothes on and remount. One woman is hopelessly stuck with the skirt (or petticoat) down around her ankles and cannot get back on her horse
Ring Toss Game
LS four women playing ring toss outdoors. Rustic cabin in BG suggests resort or summer camp
Monkey passing
Monkey passing
August 4, 1994 - Part 10
(20:35:36) The CHAIRMAN. Let me check and see. I think we have an answer on that, but I want to check with Counsel who is away at the moment and provide that answer. Let's put that issue aside for the moment. Senator BOND. I was going to try, Mr. Podesta, to go back to what we were discussing several days ago when I last talked with you. Mr. PODESTA, It feels like that. Senator BOND. Mr. Todd Stern reports to you at the White House; is that correct? Mr. PODESTA. He does. Senator BOND. We have, in the documents submitted to us, Exhibit X 000075 which was produced by Mr. Stern, Senate Banking Committee hearing "to-do" list. And in this it's pretty clear that, at least, Mr. Stern wanted Mr. Altman to focus and here's just a couple of bullets. I'm just going to read excerpts. Mr. PODESTA. Could I get a copy, Senator? Senator BOND. Yes, there's a set. "Altman's failure to recuse himself, the nature of the RTC's investigation of Madison, is investigation continuing, what is going on, question mark. Criminal referral to Justice, what were circumstances, is RTC going to pursue any civil relief," skipping down, "were Madison resources directed into other business ventures and principals in the Clinton campaign funds." Next bullet, chronology of RTC investigation of Madison, who did what, when, and why were referrals made to Justice, what if anything is going on now, et cetera." It even goes on to give a little political flavor. It said "is Treasury working on questions for committee Dems, line up a Senator or two" and they referenced a couple of Senators "have a page or two of background plus questions for the counterpunches." Do you happen to know those counterpunches? Do you have any of those counterpunches available for us that you might share with us? Seriously, well, I assume if you had counterpunches, you'd show them to us, but do you know, was this matter followed up on by Mr. Stern? Do you know what was done with it, was it used in telephone briefings, oral briefings? Mr. PODESTA. Senator, let me testify first to my knowledge which is that while I saw this document in my deposition, I said that I may have received it. It might have been the kind of thing I got, but I wasn't familiar with it. I would point out that with regard to the bullets you read, it says "prepare witness" says next to that 69 is Mike Levy, the Treasury person." I did not talk to Mr. Levy about any of the items on this list. I did mention to Mr. Levy that Mr. Altman would be-- would need to be prepared to answer ques- 437 tions about recusal. I don't know whether Mr. Stern did, I do not believe he did, but I'm not-I can't testify for him. Senator BOND. This shows that, at least, Mr. Stern believed that Mr. Altman should be prepared to address criminal referral to Justice, what the circumstances were and those other items. So this was something the White House was focusing on and I assume that when Mr. Stern prepares a memo like this, he does something with it. Mr. PODESTA. Well, I senator BOND. Is that logical to assume? Mr. PODESTA. I think it would be logical to assume with regard to the bottom couple of points which were the ones in our office relating to counterpunches. Again, I testified earlier that we wanted to put the hearing in a broader context. I think that's what-it's not my word, but I think that's what he was referring to, to try to put Madison in the context of the overall S&L cleanup and our Administration's Senator BOND. My point is the White House, your associate, Mr. Stern, was focusing on the criminal referrals and you forecast the questions that we were going to ask. I mean, if this had been fully utilized in the briefing, Mr. Altman would have been ready. Now, following up on the questions, Senator Bryan asked some questions, and Senator Gramm did. You said that "we had a duty and he had a duty to correct the record. I was tasked to follow up," You said, "I assumed his letter had been sufficient." I went back and read through these four letters and this was the letter of March 2 and it said in the third paragraph, "but I have learned today of two conversations which did take place between Treasury and White House personnel on this matter. My information is that both related to the handling of press inquiries."
Grape Process
Drawer 9 Wine making process. It's really hard to describe what is going on here. It actually looks like some sort of chemical is being produced as opposed to alcoholic beverage. Lots of close ups of bubbling fluids. Overall there's nothing on this reel that's of any interest.
Grape Process (Bottling Wine)
Bottling machinery, bottles being filled with wine, labled. visually stimulating, good camera work.
Transporting Grapes by Truck
Trucks loaded with grapes driving around, waiting in line. Men inspect grapes. I geuss these folks are selling grapes. Good shots of vintage (40's -50's) trucks otherwise pretty boring.
Int. of Grape Process Plant
Inanimate unknown machinery. A man at the end of a corridor. That's it. Not too interesting.
Picking Grapes
Grapes being picked, unpicked grapes, workers are Latino.
Grape Vineyard
Grapes being picked, shots of vineyards, workers in vineyard.
Picking Grapes & Making Wine
Reels 10-1 thru 10-15 have been combined (in numerical order)Grapes on vine (various colors), grape harvesting, female harvester holding large bunch of grapes for camera. Ext. shots of industrial building. Truck dumping huge amount of grapes at wine factory (?), wine bottles being labeled by machine, "Mission Bell Wine", women and men packing bottles of wine into boxes (pretty interesting). Vineyard being sprayed / dusted with pesticides, bottling machinery, display of 3 Mission Bell Wine bottles. Bottles being filled with grape juice, workers harvesting plums.
Grape Vineyard Irrigation
Vineyard and irrigation
August 4, 1994 - Part 10
(20:40:53) In your view, is that an adequate follow up to the question that I asked, which was who told the White I-louse of the criminal referrals? Mr. PODESTA. Senator, I would have written a different letter. I think that you asked very specific questions. We were concerned about that. We wanted, we wanted that record to be corrected. What I said earlier was that I thought in the context of what was going on that the information that you had requested was out there. I assumed it was in this letter, I think if this letter was the only thing that you had received without context or anything else, I think it's, you know The CHAIRMAN. You think what-I'm sorry, what did you say? I didn't hear that last word. Mr. PODESTA. I think that it would-you'd need to connect the dots, going back to your questions and looking at those two meetings, The CHAIRMAN. But that's not what he asked you, he asked you whether the letter senator BOND. Did that letter answer the question I asked at the February 24th hearing? Mr. PODESTA. I think you have to go back to your questions to understand. Senator BOND. My question was, who advised the White House of the criminal referrals? 438 Mr. PODESTA. And in my view, the responsive answer would have been the meeting on the 29th and Senator BOND. The answer should have been Jean Hanson. If you believe Ms. Hanson, it was Jean Hanson at Mr. Altman's direction, If you believe Mr. Altman, it was Jean Hanson on her own. The problem Mr. PODESTA. Yes. Senator BOND [continuing]. The problem, Mr. Chairman, is that throughout this we were not able to get a straight answer from Mr. Altman. Mr. Podesta was tasked to make sure this was done. I know Mr. Podesta from having worked with him on the Agriculture Committee. He's very thorough. When he says he's going to follow up he normally does, But I have to tell you, Mr. Podesta, that the failure to answer the simple question which I think would have been devastating had it been properly answered, the failure to follow up on this tells me too much about the attitude of Mr. Altman and perhaps the White House. Mr. PODESTA. Well, Senator, I think I answered earlier with regard to the White House which is that we brought this to Mr. Altman's attention. I understood the next day that a letter had been sent and the Chairman had been called. I did not see the text of the letter. The following day there were newspaper stories that noted Ms. Hanson, noted the criminal referrals. I thought this matter had been taken care of. When I finally saw the letter, which was sometime later-I think, now I take your point. Senator BOND. Mr. Podesta, you're better than that. I've seen you follow up and you do better work than that. Senator KERRY. The Senator may also remember that the entire process was interrupted by the Grand Jury on the 5th of March I think it was. The CHAIRMAN. The record should Senator BOND. The dog ate my homework doesn't get it. The CHAIRMAN. The record should be clear that they got the proper information to The Washington Post, that's been the testimony here today. They just didn't get the proper information to us; isn't that correct, Mr. Podesta? Mr. PODESTA. I think that's a fair statement. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you. Senator DODD. I'm prepared to ask a question but I think Senator Kerry The CHAIRMAN. I think Senator Kerry has been waiting and is next in the line of march here. Senator KERRY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to use my time to try and clarify where we were earlier, particularly with respect to my friend from New Mexico, and see if he and I can't get a better understanding here. What disturbs me a little bit is that there's a process where some theories are being propounded, and that's fine. It's all fair game. And questions are being asked to support the theory but the questions and the theory are not based on the evidence, on the full evidence, and so you wind up leaving the impression with the public that there's some line or avenue here that is not in fact documented by where we've been. 439
Men in Tug-o-War Struggle
MS men engaged in tug-of-war game 01:18:53 another game, much more intense, with feet digging holes in the dirt. Several angles on men in this struggle, smiling as if they're having fun