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August 4, 1994 - Part 3
(11:45:15) I believe that it was inappropriate for White House officials to express a view regarding the recusal of Mr. Altman, so I must put that on the table, Ms. Williams and Mr. McLarty, and to all of those who expressed this view, I think it was inappropriate-although, the truth is, Mr. Altman could discuss that issue with anyone that he wanted. That is my understanding of the law. It was perfectly fine. He could discuss it with anyone. But again we are looking at the atmosphere under which this conversation took place, which was described in Mr, Steiner's diary as "Intense pressure." Now I am trying to ask about people who were at the meeting, because we are trying to put ourselves at that meeting. Mr. Steiner was not at the meeting. He keeps being quoted as if he was there. You were there. Mr. Eggleston was there. Mr. Eggleston got complimented by almost everyone. He said he would not characterize it as intense pressure. My recollection from last night-and I think it is pretty sound-is that there were a lot of questions raised, and Mr. Nussbaum was not in a happy mood about it. 315 Is that your recollection of what happened during that period? I know you said you tuned out at a certain point. I think it would be kind of hard to tune out if Mr. Nussbaum had thrown a fit about the situation, but you tuned out. What do you remember, again, concisely? Would you say that you exerted intense pressure on Mr. Altman? MS. WILLIAMS. No, I did not exert pressure on Mr. Altman. I asked him a question. Senator BOXER. Now, Mr. McLarty, you were the Chief of Staff to the President of the United States of America. I have worked with you, and I know that when you wanted to make an opinion known to me you had your way of getting to the point and doing it. Now Mr. Steiner said that Mr. Altman was under intense pressure from the White House. Surely as Chief of Staff of the White House, if anyone represented "the White House," or "the President" in my mind it was you, more so than anybody else. Did you put intense pressure on Mr. Altman to recuse himself? Mr. McLARTY. No, Senator Boxer, I did not. Senator BOXER. What did you say to Mr. Altman when he told you he was thinking about recusing himself? Mr. McLARTY. I told him to make the---my advice to him was to make the judgment he thought was the right one. Senator BOXER. So you said, "Make the judgment you think is the right one," and Mr. Steiner writes that Mr. Altman was under intense pressure from the White House. I have never known you as a man to be dishonest, Do you have any reservation about what you told Mr. Altman? Do you remember it clearly that that is what you said? Mr. McLARTY. Yes, Senator, I remember it clearly. In my mind there was no way that Mr. Altman could have interpreted anything I said as any kind of pressure about his decision. Senator BOXER. And you were Chief of Staff to the President of the United States at that time. Mr. McLARTY. At that time I had the privilege to serve in that position. Senator BOXER. Now do you think Roger Altman, Mr. McLarty, is the type of man who could be easily intimidated? Mr. McLARTY, No, I do not. Senator BOXER. Ms, Williams, is your impression of Mr. Altman that he is kind of a weak-kneed guy who has not been around the block a few times? Or is this a man who has had some experience? Ms. WILLIAMS. That would be my impression of Mr. Altman, Someone who had some experience. Senator BOXER. OK. Well I think it is very important that this Committee, before it hangs someone on the basis of a diary, listen to the people who were involved in the discussion directly. I think that is the least that this Committee can do before we go out and make our pronouncements as to what we think went on. Mr, McLarty, in retrospect do you think it would have been better if all the questions on Whitewater and Madison Guaranty had been handled in a different way? 316 Mr. McLARTY. Oh, I think hindsight is always helpful in any decision, and I think the contacts could have been more clearly channeled through the White House Counsel's Office, in retrospect. Senator BOXER. Or perhaps, in my view, not gone to the White House at all. I mean, that is something Mr. MCLARTY. I think I said that in my opening statement, that in retrospect there were some things that you would have certainly tried to do differently. Senator BOXER. Mr. McLarty, did the President or the First Lady ever ask you to slow down the Whitewater investigation in any way? Mr. MCLARTY. No, they did not. Senator BOXER. Did the President or the First Lady ever ask you to beg Mr. Altman or ask Mr. Altman or exert pressure on Mr. Altman to stay in his position so that Whitewater would go away and not be an issue? Mr. MCLARTY. No, they did not beg me or ask me to do that. Senator BOXER. Ms. Williams, as Assistant to the President, did he ever discuss this matter with you and urge you to do all you could do to convince Mr. Altman not to recuse himself and to go easy on the Whitewater matter?
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Children of Government officials and guests of President and Mrs. Johnson at a full-scale, old-fashioned "country fair" on the South Lawn of the White House. Lynda Bir and her fiancT attend and the Ferris wheel, carousel, and other features thrill the kids. View from the crest of a Ferris wheel. Various shots of First Lady Johnson: eating popcorn, riding a carousel, riding in an antique car with Vice President Humphrey, mingling. Carnival games, children. The Washington Monument is shown in the distance.
August 4, 1994 - Part 3
(11:50:13) Ms. WILLIAMS. No, Senator. Senator BOXER. Did the First Lady ever entreaty you in such a fashion? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, Senator. Senator BOXER. Well, Mr. Chairman, I am not going to use up all my time, but I have to say this to the two of you: I think that you are really good public servants. I have never really talked to you before. But I want to say to you that your strong focus and your strong purpose on what you are in your job comes through to me, and I think you served the First Lady well, the President well, and the country well. And I do wish-I do wish-that everyone else in the Administration had that focus. Because, had they had that focus, I do not think we would be here right now. Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Boxer. Senator Hatch. Senator HATCH. In your prepared testimony you stated that "no one" attempted to influence the RTC's decision on whether or when to bring claims against individuals with regard to the failure of Madison. Would an attempt by the White House or Treasury staff to shift civil iurisdiction from RTC and give it to the independent Counsel, OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR HATCH Senator HATCH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. McLarty, welcome. It is good to see you and Ms. Williams. Mr. MCLARTY. Good morning, Senator Hatch. Senator HATCH. Mr. McLarty, do you know of any communications between the White House staff and the Department of Justice concerning the scope of the Independent Counsel's charter? Mr. McLARTY. No, I do not. 317 were it to have occurred, in your view qualify as "an attempt to influence the RTC's decision"? Mr. McLARTY. Well, Senator, my statement was I am not aware of any efforts on the part of the White House to influence an RTC decision. And it is my understanding that other career members of the RTC have expressed a similar view. Senator HATCH. I understand you are not aware of it, but if that actually happened would that qualify as an attempt to influence Mr. MCLARTY. I do not know, Senator, that it would, but to the best of my knowledge it has not happened. Senator HATCH. OK. Ms. Williams, let me spend a few minutes with you. OK? Your position is Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff to the First Lady? MS. WILLIAMS. Yes, Senator. Senator HATCH. In this position, you attend all senior staff meetings, right? Ms. WILLIAMS. Some. Senator HATCH. As many as you can? Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes. Senator HATCH. "All" may be too all inclusive. You came to Washington after having worked for Mrs. Clinton. I think you were with the Children's Defense Fund, as well? MS. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. That is correct. Senator HATCH. I have a lot of respect for them, as you know. How long did you work for Mrs. Clinton before you came to Washington? MS. WILLIAMS. From September to December. Senator HATCH. Let me turn to Mr. Altman's diary for a few minutes. You are familiar with those entries? Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir, I AM Senator HATCH. In fact, Mr. Cutler, the White House Counsel, asked you about those diary entries prior to your deposition before this Committee? Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Senator HATCH. You were provided a copy of those diary entries? Ms. WILLIAMS. I was provided Senator HATCH. In other words, prior to your deposition, I guess? Ms. WILLIAMS. Prior to my deposition. Senator HATCH. Right. In fact, Mr. Altman provided you with a copy, did he not? Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, he did. Senator HATCH. OK. When we deposed Mr. Altman, he explained that the reason he gave you a copy is because he felt "badly" about Providing the Committee with copies. Is that your recollection? Ms. WILLIAMS. Of Mr. Altman's testimony? Senator HATCH. Well, that he felt badly that lie had provided the Committee with copies. I guess what I am asking you is: What would Mr. Altman have felt badly about, if you know? Ms. WILLIAMS. I am not sure I quite understand this question. 318 Senator HATCH. Well when we deposed him, he said he felt badly about providing the Committee with copies, and that is why he provided you with one. I was just wondering if you knew why he would feel badly about that. Ms. WILLIAMS, About providing the Committee with copies? Senator HATCH. Right. MS. WILLIAMS. No, I do not know why he felt badly about that. Senator HATCH. Could you see where providing you a copy of the diary entries could be seen as another one of Mr. Altman's famous "heads up" decisions? Ms. WILLIAMS. Well I did not necessarily view it in that context because Mr. Cutler had earlier asked me questions about the diary, which was the first time I ever heard about it. Senator HATCH. All right. During your deposition when you were asked about being provided a copy of the diary entry, you did not inform the Committee that Mr. Altman had provided you with a copy. Right? Ms. WILLIAMS. I did not, but let me say, having reviewed my deposition, that the questions as I recall did not make it necessary at that time. The way the questions were being asked, it was: Who was the first person to inform you.? And then later questions were: Who read you the copies of the diary? So, I did not, Senator HATCH. And in fact when you were asked by the Committee if you "had any idea" where the diary pages your attorney had came from, your response was "I have no idea." Ms. WILLIAMS. That is still correct, because my attorney did not receive copies of Mr. Altman's diary from -me, Senator HATCH. Well, but the important point is that you had an opportunity to review those diary entries prior to your deposition, and that they were provided to you by Mr. Altman. Right? Ms. WILLIAMS. Well, I believe the point is twofold, actually.
August 4, 1994 - Part 3
(11:55:58) Mr. Cutler first asked me about the diaries, and I gave him my answers about whether or not I knew about them, whether or not anything in them rung true to me, or if I could recall any of those conversations. Senator HATCH. So you discussed the diary entries with Mr. Cutler, then? Ms. WILLIAMS. Mr. Cutler discussed them with me, that is correct. Senator HATCH. Now, I would like to read some of the Altman diary dated January 11th, the day before President Clinton requested that an Independent Counsel be named. He goes on to say, "Maggie's strong inference was that the White House was trying to negotiate the scope of an Independent Counsel with Reno, and having enormous diffliculties." HRC "doesn't want the Counsel poking around in the twenty years of public life in Arkansas." Mr. Altman has testified-you are familiar with that diary entry? 319 MS. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir, I am. Senator HATCH. He has testified both at his deposition, and before the Committee that his reference to Maggie is you. He testified that he only wrote what he thought to be of "historical value," and which he believed to be true. He also testified further that these entries were made after a January 11th Health Care meeting he had with you. Now regarding the entry which discusses the White House negotiations with Attorney General Reno, you testified during your deposition that you "didn't know anything about" the entry. Do you remember that? Ms. WILLIAMS. That is correct. Senator HATCH. You do not recall any communication which took place at a Health Care meeting where you may have mentioned Attorney General Reno or the Independent Counsel. Is that what you are basically saying. Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir, that is my testimony. Senator HATCH, Now you have no knowledge of any White House discussions with the Department of Justice concerning the Independent Counsel either? Ms. WILLIAMS. Absolutely not. Senator HATCH. Do you have any knowledge of any discussions by the Clinton's or their attorneys concerning the scope of the Independent Counsel's charter? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, sir, I do not have any knowledge of that. Senator HATCH. You also testified that you did not have any discussions with the First Lady about the scope of the Independent Counsel charter. Is that correct? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, sir. I would not have. Senator HATCH. You mean that is correct? Ms. WILLIAMS. That is correct, yes, sir. Senator HATCH. Did you have any discussions with anyone in the White House concerning the scope-discussions with anybody in the White House concerning the scope of the Independent Counsel charter? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, sir, not concerning the scope of the Independent Counsel. I will say that there was a lot of debate, both inside the White House and also in the press and public and even on the Hill, every day about should there be an Independent Counsel, should there not be an Independent Counsel, and I am sure that I was involved in conversations about whether or not there should be or should not be. Senator HATCH, OK. So to this day, you have no idea why Mr. Altman may have gotten the idea from you that the White House Was trying to negotiate the scope of the Independent Counsel with the Justice Department. Is that right? Ms. WILLIAMS. That is correct, sir. And let me add additionally, one of the things I recall was that the main thing that people were saying was that whatever the decision, it would be a Justice Department decision. That, whatever 320 you do, do not talk to the Justice Department. Just go on with your work. Senator HATCH. Well, I think that is all, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Hatch. Senator Campbell. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR CAMPBELL Senator CAMPBELL. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have been in here 4 days now, and about half the time it seems to me, I would describe it as trolling, hoping somebody would run into a hook. So I want to try to keep my questions very to the point and very simple. But I might make one observation. I was listening with interest when Senator Kerry was asking some questions, and he inadvertently made a mistake on one of the meeting times and you were very quick to correct the record, good thinking. As you probably know, if you wait a couple weeks to correct around here, it is pretty risky. [Laughter.] Mr. McLARTY. Thank you, Senator. Senator CAMPBELL. Let me ask you a little bit about this so-, called response team. Is that still in effect? Is there still a response team? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, there is not. Senator CAMPBELL. There is not. It was put together primarily to deal with press concerns? Mr. McLARTY. That is correct. Right after the first of the year, there was quite a bit of interest, press inquiry allegations, many without any kind of factual basis whatsoever about the Whitewater/Madison Guaranty matter, and we simply wanted these coordinated in the White House and that is why I asked Mr. Ickes to take on that responsibility, to assume that responsibility.
August 4, 1994 - Part 3
(12:00:37) Ms. WILLIAMS. Senator Campbell, may I add to that Mr. McLarty generally, as a way of dealing with situations where there is a lot of press interest, will put together White House response teams. This was not an unusual method of working, getting people together. Senator CAMPBELL. That is a normal process and you have done it before? MS. WILLIAMS. On different issues, yes. Senator CAMPBELL. On different things, OK. Mr. McLarty, you apparently ordered your staff, i.e., Mr. Podesta to work with the Treasury people to prepare Roger Altman for the February 24th Senate hearing. The newspapers, at least one account I read, indicated that you did not want them to concentrate solely on Whitewater. Was there anything to that? Mr. MCLARTY. We wanted the hearings to cover the scope that this Committee felt was proper, There was a lot going on and we did not think it was proper for the hearings to be based on a very narrow issue and that to dominate the hearings. The RTC was performing quite well in their activities. This was" to be a regularly scheduled hearing and we wanted it, to be a broad, 321 and full hearing, and not a forum for (12:01:53)(tape #10088 ends)
August 4, 1994 - Part 4
(12:00:00)(tape #10089 begins) Is that still in effect? Is there still a response team? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, there is not. Senator CAMPBELL. There is not. It was put together primarily to deal with press concerns? Mr. McLARTY. That is correct. Right after the first of the year, there was quite a bit of interest, press inquiry allegations, many without any kind of factual basis whatsoever about the Whitewater/Madison Guaranty matter, and we simply wanted these coordinated in the White House and that is why I asked Mr. Ickes to take on that responsibility, to assume that responsibility. (12:00:37) Ms. WILLIAMS. Senator Campbell, may I add to that Mr. McLarty generally, as a way of dealing with situations where there is a lot of press interest, will put together White House response teams. This was not an unusual method of working, getting people together. Senator CAMPBELL. That is a normal process and you have done it before? MS. WILLIAMS. On different issues, yes. Senator CAMPBELL. On different things, OK. Mr. McLarty, you apparently ordered your staff, i.e., Mr. Podesta to work with the Treasury people to prepare Roger Altman for the February 24th Senate hearing. The newspapers, at least one account I read, indicated that you did not want them to concentrate solely on Whitewater. Was there anything to that? Mr. MCLARTY. We wanted the hearings to cover the scope that this Committee felt was proper, There was a lot going on and we did not think it was proper for the hearings to be based on a very narrow issue and that to dominate the hearings. The RTC was performing quite well in their activities. This was" to be a regularly scheduled hearing and we wanted it, to be a broad, 321 and full hearing, and not a forum for (12:01:53)(tape #10088 ends) allegations and questions about Whitewater. We did not think that that was the right focus of this meeting. Senator CAMPBELL. Did you have any role in the correction of the record after his testimony? Mr. MCLARTY. I have already testified, Senator, that when the matter was brought to my attention that Mr. Altman's testimony might not be complete, it was recommended to me, when it was brought to my attention, that we work with Treasury to get the record complete if it needed supplementing, and Mr. Podesta followed on that. Senator CAMPBELL. Did you talk to him personally about it? Mr. McLARTY. No, I did not. Senator CAMPBELL. To his staff? Mr. McLARTY. No, I did not, Senator CAMPBELL, Is it normal that your staff would work with any Secretary's staff in developing testimony? Normally they develop their own, do they not? Mr. MCLARTY. I have testified to that earlier, Senator. Normally, a Cabinet Secretary or Deputy Secretary offering testimony will be the primary or accept the primary responsibility for it, but it is not unusual for our Congressional Affairs personnel to be aware of that testimony before various Committees before the House or the Senate. Senator CAMPBELL. Thank you. Now, Maggie, one of the previous witnesses testified that when Mr. Altman stopped by, I believe it was February 3rd, to say that he would not recuse himself, that there were not any questions asked. Nobody seemed particularly surprised. He only stayed there a few seconds and left. Is that your recollection? Ms. WILLIAMS. That is my recollection, sir. Senator CAMPBELL. That is all I need, Mr. Chairman. Thanks. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Campbell. Senator DAmato, your side is next. We have got two Members left to go in the first round here. Do you want to go next, or Senator DAMATO. I would like to, Mr. Chairman, because I want to pursue something that Senator Hatch Senator DODD. Mr. Chairman, would you, just out of curiosity, I mean, when Senators have not had a chance at all, should we not try to accommodate those people who have not had even a first round before any of us go to a second round? Senator DAMATO. Well, let me say that in the division of time, I had suggested earlier that we would have equal time, that we enter into an agreement to do that. The Chairman did not think we could do that. However, he agreed to 7 minutes for each side. And it is now time for our side. Senator DODD. No, I understand that. I just thought of the people that have not had a chance. That is all. Senator DAMATO. Again, we are limited in time scope. It is not out of a lack of deference or consideration for my colleagues, but what will take place is, at the end, we will wind up with us having to ask more and more and more of these questions, I would like to try to get time to raise questions. 322 And I would be happy to yield to my colleague at this time, but then I would like us to start. Senator DODD. Go ahead. Senator DAMATO. I will yield to my colleague. Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. Thank you, Senator D'Amato, but I think I am prepared to follow the Chairman's judgment in this regard, because of scheduling or whatever it is, that is fine with me. Senator D'AMATO. No, that is quite all right. We do need harmony here and I want to extend it. I am happy to extend the time. The CHAIRMAN. Well, Senator Moseley-Braun appreciates that. She is prepared to wait. Senator D'AMATO. I would, to my colleagues- Senator DODD. Why don't we adjourn the hearing? Senator D'AMATO. Senator Murray? Senator Murray? The CHAIRMAN. Senator Murray, do you want to go now? Senator MURRAY. No, go ahead. The CHAIRMAN. All right. Senator DODD. I am sorry I brought it up. Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. No, we appreciate it, Senator Dodd, and your point is very well taken and it was very thoughtful and sensitive of you to mention that, but at the same time, I think in the interests of making certain that these hearings go along with the Chairman's direction, I would just as soon wait. The CHAIRMAN. We are looking down at that end of the table. Senator Sasser has not had an opportunity either yet, Senator D'Amato. Senator SASSER. Well, Mr. Chairman, I will be pleased to take advantage of Senator D'Amato's generosity if he wishes to yield to me.
Mona Lisa Draws Imitators
Mona Lisa Draws Imitators Art runs rampant as over 30,000 Mona Lisa s, ranging from a sexaulized Mona Lisa to a Missile one, are submitted in a contest in New York All the Mona Lisa s hanging on wall. MCUS - Woman studying a picture of the Mona Lisa. MCUS - Small crowd looking at the Mona Lisa s. MCUS - Spanish artist Salvador Dali holding up a picture of the missile Mona Lisa.
"The Birds" Is Coming
"The Birds" Is Coming Alfred Hitchcock's film "the Birds" premieres at new York s RKO Palace. Pan down building, CU 445. Director Alfred Hitchcock sitting at a table between two men. Hitchcock signing papers, shakes hands with gentlemen.
U.S. Recognizes New Syria Regime
U.S. Recognizes New Syria Regime. The seventh revolution in Syria since the French relinquished their mandate in 1941 sees a clique that favors Egypt's Nasser take power. The U.S. recognizes the government as long as they pledge to recognize their international obligations. A pro Nasser military clique signing documents. MS - Streets jammed packed with military and civilians. MS - People gather together holding up banners of support for Nasser. MS - Papers being thrown out of a building, crowds are backing the anti red stand of the government and raids on communist newspapers and the wave of nationalism is growing stronger in each passing light.
Spring is Here: Baseball Giants Begin Training
Forget the cold 'n snow. Baseball's opening day is on the way.... Spring training is under way and the San Francisco Giants training camp in Arizona presents a typical problem. Alvin Dark has Willie Mays and the rest of his boys getting in shape -- eagle-eyeing the big day. Arizona The San Francisco Giants come running out of the locker room on to the field, and running with them with a catcher glove in mouth is a English Springer Spaniel dog. Jack Stanford throws a pitch, and the next one up is Billy O'Dell, next is Bobby Bolin, a young Billy Pierce, Bob Shaw, Bob Hendley and the last pitcher is Don Larsen. CUS - A retired man smoking a pipe sitting on a bench with his buddies. MS - Tom Haller and Del Crandall getting ready to play. MCUS - Jim Hart plans to hold down third base, and Jim Davenport is at second. MS - Willie Mays. CUS - Willie Mays at batting practice. Some baseball players gather together with their base ball bats in hand for a group picture.
Action On Cyprus: Un Votes To Send Troops To Island
In a rare example of complete accord, the United Nations Security Council votes U Thant the power to form a UN peace keeping force on the Island of Cyprus and to appoint a mediator. Probably as many as 10,000 men will be sent to the Island that has been torn by strife between Greeks and Turks since late last year. New York, NY United Nations Security Council voting for a peace keeping force. U Thant, "In terms of other responsibilities for the Secretary General foreseen by the resolution as serious, they do not substantially differ from past experience, and I have no hesitation in undertaking them. I count heavily of course on the cooperation of the government of Cyprus, and other governments mentioned in the resolution, for their wholehearted cooperation and assistance are vital to be effective in the renditions of the resolution."
August 4, 1994 - Part 4
(12:05:50) Senator D'AMATO. Fine. The CHAIRMAN. He is prepared to do so. Senator Sasser. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR SASSER Senator SASSER. I thank the Senator. Ms. Williams, I think perhaps Senator Dodd may have asked you this question impinging on this a little earlier, but in the meeting on February 2nd that took place, I think, in Mr. McLarty's office, if I'm not mistaken, did Mr. Altman there at that time inform the participants at the February 2nd meeting with regard to Madison Savings that "it is unlikely that the investigation could be completed and a recommendation made by the General Counsel . . . " that is, General Counsel of the RTC, prior to the expiration of the statute of limitations." In other words, did he in essence say that we cannot complete the investigation at the RTC prior to the statute expiring? Ms. WILLIAMS. I do not remember him saying that, sir. Senator SASSER. So you have no independent recollection of whether he said that or not? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, sir. Senator SASSER. So if Mr. Ickes said he did say it, you would not be in a position to refute him, would you? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, sir. 323 Senator SASSER. And conversely, if Mr. Altman said be did not say it, you would not be in a position to contradict him either? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, sir. Senator SASSER. You just do not recall it? Ms. WILLIAMS. I do not recall it. Senator SASSER. Are you a lawyer by training, Ms. Williams? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, I am not a lawyer. Senator SASSER. Well, I can understand why the question of the statute of limitations might not have had that much relevance to you then. Now, Mr. McLarty, Senator Sarbanes was asking you earlier about the meeting in your office. Would you care to expand on why your office invited Ms. Williams to the February 2nd meeting at all? Mr. McLARTY. Senator Sasser, when Mr. Altman requested this meeting, Mr. Ickes and Mr. Nussbaum were the proper people to coordinate such a meeting, which they did, and I think Mr, Ickes suggested certain people attend from my office, and I think he was correct in that. And Ms. Williams has already testified, one, as to her broad and very capable role in the White House, and secondly, the fact that this matter had to do with the First Family and all of the criticisms, particularly of the First Lady about this matter, so I think it was quite understandable and quite proper that she attend such a meeting. Senator SASSER. Now with regard to the February 2nd meeting that took place in your office, and according to Mr. Altman, you arranged for the meeting, but you, yourself, did not attend. Is that an accurate representation, that you arranged for the meeting? Mr. MCLARTY, Senator, I just commented that when Mr. Altman called and asked for this meeting, I delegated the matter to Mr. Ickes. I am not sure that Mr. Altman did talk to me. He did talk to my office, I think, and that is how the matter was handled. Senator SASSER. Did you ever plan to attend the meeting that took place on February 2nd? Mr. McLARTY. I was aware the meeting was going to take place. Mr. Ickes had informed me of that, and I may well have attended, but I had another meeting that was with a congressional delegation on a very important legislative issue, and as often is the case in the White House, you have to make choices about which meetings you attend, and I attended the congressional meeting. Senator SASSER. So you might have attended had there not been another conflicting meeting? Mr. McLARTY. I might have. I was aware of the meeting. Senator SASSER. Let me ask you this, Mr. McLarty. Did the President or the First Lady ask you to set up this meeting on February 2nd? Mr. McLARTY, No, they did not, Senator. Senator SASSER. Did you ever have any communications about Setting up this meeting with either the President or the First Lady? Mr. MCLARTY. No, Senator, I did not, 324 Senator SASSER. Did Senator Bentsen ask you to set up this Feb ruary 2nd meeting, or any similar meeting on the question of Madi- son? Mr. MCLARTY. No, Senator, he did not. Senator SASSER. And have you had communications on this whole
August 4, 1994 - Part 4
(12:10:30) Mr. McLARTY. No, Senator, I have not. Senator SASSER. Mr. Chairman, I am at a posture here where think I can yield back to Senator D'Amato some of his time, which he so generously yielded to me. Thank you, Mr. McLarty, and thank you, Ms. Williams. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Sasser. Senator D'AMATO. Well, Mr. Chairman, if I might suggest, know a vote has just started. The witnesses have been on the table for about 21/2 hours. Might this be a time, so that we can go down and break, and she might take 15 minutes or so, so that we could vote, and then we will start? I do not know what tile Committee thinks. The CHAIRMAN. I think that is a good idea. The vote has started, and so the Committee will recess for about 15 minutes so that we can go and vote, and the witnesses can take a break as well, and then we will resume at approximately 12:30 The Committee stands in recess. (12:11:22) [Recess.] (12:11:24) Hearing hosts DON BODE and NINA TOTENBERG segue to coverage of House Banking Committee Hearing at which Secretary of the Treasury LLOYD BENTSEN is testifying (12:29:04) Commentary of Hearing hosts DON BODE and NINA TOTENBERG
Royal Birthdays: Emperor And Queen Mark Natal Daus
Royal birthdays in Holland and Japan. In Japan, Emperor Hirohito celebrates his 63rd Emperor Hirohito celebrating his 63rd birthday while working at his desk. MS - Emperor and Empress Hirohito strolling in the Imperial gardens. MS - The Royal couple stop to admire some plants.
Kentucky Derby: Northern Dancer Sets Race Record
Biggest crowd in the history of Churchill Downs see Bill Hartack ride Northern Dancer to victory in two minutes flat to set a new record for the track. Northern Dancer made no mistakes...ditto Hartack. Winner of the 90th Derby is Canadian bred. Owned by Canadian tycoon E.P. Taylor. Trained by Horatio Luro. Run For The Roses Louisville, Kentucky Churchill Downs Racetrack with throngs in attendance. MS - No 11. Hillrise - No 7, Northern Dancer. MLS - A very large crowd sitting in the stands. MS - Starting gate for the horses, and their off in the running. CUS - One of the ladies who is sitting among the crowd of people. OHS - The race horses all bunch up running down the track. MCUS - Two women and one man wearing glasses, in the background a man standing up in the crowd wearing sun glasses. MLS - Horses coming around the final curve in the track and down to the home stretch. MS - Its Northern Dancer and Hillrise down to the stretch, the little horse Northern Dancer No#7 wins. MS - Northern Dancer standing in the winners circle.
Channel Express: Hydrofoil Speeds Passage To France
A new super-speed passenger service goes into operation between the Channel Islands and French ports. A Hydrofoil craft that could revolutionize sea transport across the Channel. They carry 140 passengers at 45 mph France Low aerial shot of France's new Hydrofoil on a choppy sea channel. CUS - The Capitan and copilot of the Hydrofoil. MCUS - The Hydrofoil's navigational panel. MLS - The Hydrofoil moving along on rough water. POV - Looking off the back of the boat MS - When this Hydrofoil comes down on the water it causes this enormous spray.
The Future Is His: New Kennedy Bond Given Boy Immigrant
A two-month drive to increase Savings Bonds opens in Washington, D.C. Little Francesco Eduardo Sergi becomes a naturalized citizen. He is presented with a new bond -- the $75.00 one that bears the picture of the late President John F. Kennedy. Washington DC A Saving's Bond dinner drive, large banner reading "For Americans security and your own, buy US Savings Bonds". CUS - Audience sitting down a dinner tables. MCUS - A giant $75 US Savings Bond with a picture of President John F. Kennedy on it. MS - Looks like on of the offices in the Capitol building, Where Robert Kennedy and the adoptive parents of Francesco Eduardo Sergi and Eduardo are guest of Robert F Kennedy, Attorney General. MS - Little Francesco is sworn in as a US citizen. MS - US Attorney General, Robert Kennedy presents the little boy with a US $75 Savings Bond. CUS - Little Francesco posing with the US Savings Bond.
Yesterday's Big Story - The Sinking of the Andrea Doria
July 26, 1956: A queen of the sea, Italian liner "Andrea' Doria" struck by the Swedish liner "Stockholm" sinks. An even greater tragedy is averted when many ships in the Nantucket Islands area raced to the rescue. Fifty persons of 2,700 perish. Nantucket Island Aerial shot - The Andrea Doria is tilted to her right side in the open sea. Aerial shot - The Andrea Doria is totally laying on her right side and is taking on a lot of water. MS Aerial - The Andrea Doria on a death roll. Aerial shot - The front portion of the Stockholm smashed up and the point of the ship is missing. Aerial shot - The Stockholm making its way through the water, voice over reports that there were 50 souls lost up-right in the crash of the two ships. MS - Helicopter landing and rescue squad wheeling an injured person on a gurney. MS - Another injured person on a stretcher being carried away. MCUS - An injured person being placed in an ambulance. Aerial shot - Just a small amount of the Andrea Doria sticking out of the water, she is well on her way of sinking. Aerial shot - Just a bit of the rear portion sticking up above the water, you can see a portion of the propeller. MS - In the New York Harbor The Ile de France, a ship that picked up survivors from the Andrea Doria. MCUS - Survivors on the Ile de France. MCUS - Reunited families all smiles. CUS - Passengers waving, New York sky line. MOHS - Lady disembarking on a stretcher from the Ile de France. MCUS - Passengers disembarking the Ile de France. MS - Passengers inside a dock building getting reunited with family members. CUS - Passengers at a Red Cross station. MS - Two nurses escorting an injured woman passenger. MCUS - Looks like a daughter running into the arms of her father. MS - Two male figures reuniting and hugging each other.
August 4, 1994 - Part 4
(12:35:25) Hearing resumes: Senator D'AMATO. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Williams, let me ask you as it relates to the diary of Mr. Alt man, did you ever see Altman's diary page? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, I've not seen the diary page. Senator D'AMATO. You have never seen the diary page? MS. WILLIAMS. I have not read it. Senator D'AMATO. Well, have you seen it? MS. WILLIAMS. I have seen it in the hands of my attorney, the page, but I have not read it. It appeared to be a clump of handwriting, but I did not avail myself of an opportunity to read it. Senator D'AMATO. Your attorney did not avail you the opportunity to read it? MS. WILLIAMS. Oh, he gave me the opportunity. I said I was not interested in reading it. Senator D'AMATO. OK Did you ever speak to Roger Altman about his recordings, his diary or the page? Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. I did speak with Mr. Altman about his recordings. Senator D'AMATO. How did that occasion take place, if you can recall? MS. WILLIAMS, Mr. Altman called me and said that he wanted to see me. Senator D'AMATO. He called you and said he wanted to speak to you? MS. WILLIAMS. Yes, he did. Senator D'AMATO. And he wanted to speak to you in person? 325 MS. WILLIAMS. Yes, he did. Senator DAMATO. And was that sometime in July, the second week of July? Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. That seems about right. Senator D'AMATO. And so he came to see you at the White House? Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. That's correct. Senator DAMATO. And what did he say to you? Ms. WILLIAMS. He said that-I'll give you the gist, I don't know exactly, but I'll give you the gist of what he said. Senator DAMATO. All right. Ms. WILLIAMS. Was that I have written some things and I want to tell you about them. Senator D'AMATO. And what did he say? MS, WILLIAMS. And he told me about them. Senator D'AMATO. What did he say, if you can recall? I mean, now this is-he feels-he's embarrassed. Is that a fair characterization? Did he say he wanted to apologize to you? Ms. WILLIAMS. Well, 1 don't want to characterize. I don't remember him saying "apologize," I have to say I was caught up in my own bad attitude. Senator DAMATO. OK. What did he say to you and what did you say to him? MS. WILLIAMS. I believe what he said to me was I want to tell you about some writings that I have written that have your name in them, and I probably said OK And I was alerted-1 mean, 1 wasn't totally unaware of this because I'd had a previous conversation with Mr. Cutler who had asked me about them. So I wasn't totally unaware of what he said. Senator DAMATO. Mr. Cutler had, in reviewing of the matters that had taken place, gone over this and informed you what the writings were about? Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes. He did tell me what the writings were about, and he asked me questions about them. Senator DAMATO, So now what did Roger say to you? Ms. WILLIAMS. At that point he said I want to tell you about them, and then he essentially told me what each of the writings or entries had said. Senator D'AMATO. What the entries were about? Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, that's correct. Senator D'AMATO. The paralysis? What did you say to him? Ms. WILLIAMS. I said something on the order of Roger, where is this coming from? 1 don't remember any conversations that I had with you about this. Senator D'AMATO. And what did he say in response to that? Ms. WILLIAMS. Well, I believe he was kind of-I believe that he Was quiet, quite frankly, about it. As I said before and as I testified before the House Committee, I was having quite a bad attitude about this entire matter, and I was more or less caught up Senator DAMATO. You mean about the diary? Ms. WILLIAMS. The fact that what had been written about me, to the best of my recollection, there were conversations that never had taken place which would be reflected in his writings. So I was, I was upset, 326 Senator D'AMATO. At the time of the discussion, did you know that fie was scheduled to testify before the Senate? Did he indicate anything to you about that? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, I don't believe he indicated anything to me about that, but everybody knew he was going to testify before the Senate. Senator DAMATO. Let me ask you, didn't he say to you that I brought a copy of this and didn't he in fact bring a copy of the diary, the yellow page diary?
Mid - West Floods: 100,000 Affected As Rovers Crest
From Missouri to Pennsylvania, river towns have been inundated by the rising water of the Ohio and its tributaries plus other rampaging rivers. More than 100,000 people have been affected by the flood. In Cincinnati, for example, the crest of the Ohio reached 66 feet, that's 14 feet above flood stage! Several Governors have appealed to have many sections declared disaster areas. Aerial shots of the high flood waters covering homes, factories and even an amusement park roller coaster. Aerial shot of the flooding, the front porches of the houses are under water. Aerial shot - the helicopter is flying over Coney Island Park in Ohio and all the rides are engulfed by the flood water. Aerial shot - Churchill Down's race track completely covered by water. The stables are flooded. MS - The crest of the Ohio River reaches 66 feet. MS - The flood waters off the Ohio River reaches the downtown area and the streets are flooded to the max. CUS - The fast moving Ohio River with it's turning water, and undertows. MS - Two men sit in a fishing boat checking out their flooded town, and in Kentucky it's the same thing, houses are flooded out